[Rainger99]

New study shows that if the police make fewer stops, there is an increase in homicides.

I guess defunding the police has consequences.

New Statistical Evidence Supports the "Minneapolis Effect" as an Explanation for Increases in Homicides

[Two Bills]

All crime numbers took off when cops were put in cars, and stopped patrolling on foot. Period!

[BillY41]

When you have an unforgiving boss 9-11 your department has to be mobile to handle the calls. Best of both worlds mobile and foot patrol.

[Whitley]

Under Mayor Bloomberg the NYC police did random (? not sure if I'd call it random) stop and frisk. They took many guns off the streets, and high crime neighborhoods saw a reduction in crime. Their claim was that it fell under the Terry Stop (Terry v Ohio). I do not believe they had a reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime having been, about to be or in the process of happening. It was stopped under DeBlasio (may have been challenged in court as well) and crime went up. There are ways to reduce crime, but some of those ways infringe on peoples rights (in my opinion). Interesting factoid about DeBlasio. He and his wife are getting a divorce. He said in an interview, that he wondered if her being a self proclaimed lesbian should have been a warning that they would run into problems with the marriage. Can not make this stuff up.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by BillY41

When you have an unforgiving boss 9-11 your department has to be mobile to handle the calls. Best of both worlds mobile and foot patrol.

Growing up in NYC, I recall the foot patrol police. We would see the same officer after school each day. He was hurt in the line of duty and many of us (schoolkids) sent cards and even visited him when he was in rehab. School did not make us, parents didn't force us. He was just our cop friend. How times have changed.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Under Mayor Bloomberg the NYC police did random (? not sure if I'd call it random) stop and search. They took many guns off the streets, and high crime neighborhoods saw a reduction in crime. It was stopped under DeBlasio (may have been challenged in court as well) and crime went up. There are ways to reduce crime, but some of those ways infringe on peoples rights (in my opinion). Interesting factoid about DeBlasio. He and his wife are getting a divorce. He said in an interview, that he wondered if her being a self proclaimed lesbian should have been a warning that they would run into problems with the marriage. Can not make this stuff up.

This is easy. Giuliani cleaned the city up, DeBlasio turned it back into a city run by like minded mayors. Worst thing that happened was ending stop and frisk

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

This is easy. Giuliani cleaned the city up, DeBlasio turned it back into a city run by like minded mayors. Worst thing that happened was ending stop and frisk

Very true. Felt safe walking around the city at night and taking train home.

[Gpsma]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Under Mayor Bloomberg the NYC police did random (? not sure if I'd call it random) stop and frisk. They took many guns off the streets, and high crime neighborhoods saw a reduction in crime. Their claim was that it fell under the Terry Stop (Terry v Ohio). I do not believe they had a reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime having been, about to be or in the process of happening. It was stopped under DeBlasio (may have been challenged in court as well) and crime went up. There are ways to reduce crime, but some of those ways infringe on peoples rights (in my opinion). Interesting factoid about DeBlasio. He and his wife are getting a divorce. He said in an interview, that he wondered if her being a self proclaimed lesbian should have been a warning that they would run into problems with the marriage. Can not make this stuff up.

I was never a big fan of stop and frisk. It sorta smacked at some Nazi saying “papers please”. Yes, it did catch some bad guys and got guns off the streets but it also interfered with good people, minding their business, being frisked. Remember reading about one NYPD cop with an unusual shift who was stopped almost weekly walking home at 3am.
Stop and frisk was only one tool in Guilianis approach. The most significant one was to go after minor crime…turnstile jumping, squeegee guys and vandalism.

DiBlasio is separating not getting divorced. Still living together but seeing others. Yep, that should work out real well!

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Growing up in NYC, I recall the foot patrol police. We would see the same officer after school each day. He was hurt in the line of duty and many of us (schoolkids) sent cards and even visited him when he was in rehab. School did not make us, parents didn't force us. He was just our cop friend. How times have changed.

My uncle was one of our local foot patrol Bobbies.
I had to go to other areas to be a child menace to society!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

I was never a big fan of stop and frisk. It sorta smacked at some Nazi saying “papers please”. Yes, it did catch some bad guys and got guns off the streets but it also interfered with good people, minding their business, being frisked. Remember reading about one NYPD cop with an unusual shift who was stopped almost weekly walking home at 3am.
Stop and frisk was only one tool in Guilianis approach. The most significant one was to go after minor crime…turnstile jumping, squeegee guys and vandalism.

DiBlasio is separating not getting divorced. Still living together but seeing others. Yep, that should work out real well!

I used to jump the turnstiles sometimes when I lived in Boston. I had a T-pass. But once in awhile - you're just approaching the turnstile and you can hear the sub car coming - you're holding your guitar case in one hand, and the flap of your purse is making it hard to find the pass so - just hop on over. I also would always check at Harvard Square, because sometimes the turnstiles weren't clicking in place properly and you could pull it back a click, and it'd let you go through - no charge!

The squeegee guys in NYC are the scourge of the city though. Oy vey.

[Pballer]

Stop and frisk proved that you can reduce crime by violating people's constitutional rights.

[skippy05]

All forms of crime reduce if city police over police traffic like crazy. Write intense tickets for any and all speeding, rolling stops at stop signs and right on reds, etc. City of Avondale in Atlanta has done this for years and it works. Drive just outside that city limits and crime is off the chain. Live within city limits and crime is to a minimum.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Pballer

Stop and frisk proved that you can reduce crime by violating people's constitutional rights.

Didn’t realize carrying illegal weapons or drugs was a constitutional right. I’m more than happy for a police officer to stop me if it gets more criminals off the streets

[Blackbird45]

First, I believe the people that were screaming defund the police really want retraining of the police and that requires more funding.
As far as crime a lot of crimes either comes from poverty, despair and just outright stupidity.
Maybe a TV campaign showing how most crimes are committed by morons would send a message.
You no longer want to be married, in the long run it's cheaper to get a divorce than turning to murder.
When it comes to stealing, get it through their thick skulls if you steal a million and get caught you will probably spend 10 years in jail. If you have half a brain, you can earn more than a million in the same amount of time and enjoy your freedom.
Lot of people are worried about what they teach in school these days, maybe the first thing the children should be taught is how to earn a living and have a decent life.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by skippy05

All forms of crime reduce if city police over police traffic like crazy. Write intense tickets for any and all speeding, rolling stops at stop signs and right on reds, etc. City of Avondale in Atlanta has done this for years and it works. Drive just outside that city limits and crime is off the chain. Live within city limits and crime is to a minimum.

True words.

I think we see examples of that here in and around TV on a daily basis. Some of read asteriskasteriskasterisk
asteriskasteriskasteriskasterisk and nary a day goes by when there ISN'T a story about some guy being stopped for unreadable license plate, stopping at a stop sign with tires over the solid white line, burned out tail light, or whatever; K-9 gets called and "alerts" to the possibility of drugs in the vehicle or on the person, a search ensues and bingo! Another drug bust. The other biggie is petty theft: you can count on at least four stories per week where someone (or several someones) are caught at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Winn-Dixie, etc. with shoplifted items, arrested and processed for dollar amounts that seem puny to many of us. One of my favorites is a well-dressed, somewhat older lady who was caught on Wal-Mart store surveillance at one of those self-service checkouts not paying for her stuff. From the looks of it, it appeared that it was more a case of absentmindedness than theft. She left the store, got into a blue golf cart (surveillance had that on tape too) and left. I don't recall the dollar amount but I believe it was under $100. The interesting thing was that the cops asked, through the reporting publication, that anyone with knowledge of this woman contact them! That the cops would actually do that is remarkable. In cities and areas where many if not most of us come from, that is a belly laugh on the part of the cops rather than a track-down and arrest.

The cops around here know who the troublemakers and keep the pressure on. There is a fair amount of petty crime around here, but almost never anything major.