[Rags123]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I've worked for corporations too ... no one is saying they are Boy Scouts but they are efficient. I also don't think IBM is the evil caricature you seem to paint. You may want to chill a bit or share some specifics about your days at IBM to back up the evil doings intimations.

Also I would note, it’s not just corporations … if people writ large were left unchecked it would not be pretty. That’s why we have laws

Do not know much about IBM as a citizen of communities, but found this bit from Nov 2012

"You may have suspected that IBM was the nation’s most community-minded company. Now you have proof. Last week, BloombergBusinessweek published the first-ever Civic 50, a groundbreaking national initiative to identify the 50 companies having the greatest community impact. IBM was ranked No. 1."

- See more at: Why IBM Is America's Most Community-Minded Company | Points of Light

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by blueash

Keep in mind that every dollar saved by BK is going to have to be made up by people and small businesses that can't benefit from this tax scheme.

Since the US BORROWS $.44 of every dollar spent, no one has to "make up" anything. We'll just borrow more. See how easy that was. <no grin>

How about Buffet wanting everyone to pay more tax, but he's partly funding this deal to avoid US taxes? Any hypocrisy?

[allus70]

Yes, we do have the highest corporate tax rate in the world....but, that's only 1/2 the story. Many large companies hire teams of lawyers and CPAs that do nothing but work on ways to reduce taxes. Who gets stuck holding the bag?

Here's a list of 111 of America's largest corporations that pay no taxes at all:

http://ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/allzerotaxyears.jpg

What we need is tax reform, for companies and individuals.
Considering the current political climate, what are the chances?


Interesting article....ACA helping to stabilize Medicare

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/up...abt=0002&abg=0

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This is the answer, but the politicians in Washington won't allow it to happen.


home - FairTax.org

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by blueash

A former treasury secretary has suggested lowering the corporate tax rate to zero. ZERO. The gist of his argument is that as the corporate profit is just a conglomeration of the profit of its shareholders that instead we simply allow that profit to flow to the shareholders and tax it at that time. And that those profits be taxed as income. I used to be a partner in an LLC. It made money but its taxes were zero. The money it made came to me as regular income. If all corporations operated this way then there would be no tax inversions and we would get rid or reduce the government discount on capital gains. If Burger King wants to have its headquarters in Canada, no difference to an American shareholder. Now this also has the benefit of encouraging better care for the corporate employees as shareholders do not derive as great a benefit from taking all the profits themselves and there is no reason to hold cash offshore in a tax avoidance strategy. Keep in mind that every dollar saved by BK is going to have to be made up by people and small businesses that can't benefit from this tax scheme.

"The best way to insure that it's shareholders and owners who actually pay the corporate income tax is to make it a tax on capital gains enjoyed by shareholders and owners rather than a tax on corporate income"

If I correctly understand what you are proposing, I think it's a very enlightened and creative solution. It's makes economic sense, it grows the economy, and seems like it's win-win .... which is what a successful society is all about.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by allus70

Many large companies hire teams of lawyers and CPAs that do nothing but work on ways to reduce taxes.

Do those teams of lawyers and CPAs work for free or does it represent a big expense for the company?

Do companies get tax breaks for no reason or do they generally have to do something or in return?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

If I correctly understand what you are proposing, I think it's a very enlightened and creative solution. It's makes economic sense, it grows the economy, and seems like it's win-win .... which is what a successful society is all about.

Of course it does. Again, politicians, in an effort to garner votes try to create a bogey man which they will vow to fight against. In this case, it's corporation which they tell us are all evil and don't pay enough in taxes.

What a lot of people don't realize is that corporation don't really pay taxes at all. The money that they pay in taxes is simply collected from the consumers. It is added into the cost of products and services that corporations provide.

The ultimate consumers pays all of the money into the federal government. Everyone else are just middle men.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Papa Cuma

We need their tax dollars to pay their employees ObamaCare. Or lower their taxes if they pay their employees a living wage and medical benefits.

Fortunately for Canada with their lower corporate taxes, Burger King will now be able to help support the Canadian government run health care. Puzzling, isn't it?

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Papa Cuma

I spent 19 years at IBM. I know how corporations work. I also know that corporations need to be regulated for the benefit of our communities. Unchecked, a corporation will extract as much work from an employee as it can and pay that individual as little as it can get away with. It will poison our groundwater and waterways, filthy up the air we breathe and give nothing back to the communities other than those that live on the hills. I know intimately about such corporations and how they would function if left to there own devices.

Papa, please tell us how you intimately know how most corporations operate, when you primarily worked for one very good Corporation, IBM.

You seem to have a disdain for corporate responsibility and accountability. Even though, I believe IBM contributed greatly to our economic technology growth in our country and abroad. They also treated their employees and communities quite well.

Corporate Tax as well as the entire Taxation system in the U.S. is very much in need of Reform to help turn this economy around. It takes profits to reinvest in growth and in turn creates new products, technology, opportunities and results in jobs and a stable and vibrant economy.

We have passed the tipping point in this country, where we have driven away manufacturing, oil exploration, technology development, and now corporate inversions due to over-zealous regulations and taxation. We are our own worst enemy, stifling and smothering all the great attributes the U.S. thrived on for so many years.

When the Capital system works well and our corporations and small businesses make good profits, then the American people have a better opportunity to do well. Granted there will always be people that either through lack of education, skills or other situations don't do as well. But the important point is that, if Companies do well, there is more opportunities for the American people to do well. In a poor economy like what we have now, there is far less opportunity for our citizens. That breeds frustration and unrest in our country and crime shows it's ugly head.

[buggyone]

Big US corporations have been doing very good. Very large profits, huge salaries for CEO's, and very tiny percentages of taxes paid.

Stock market is at record highs. Unemployment is down.

Multi-millionaires pay less percentage in income taxes than middle class citizens.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Big US corporations have been doing very good. Very large profits, huge salaries for CEO's, and very tiny percentages of taxes paid.

Stock market is at record highs. Unemployment is down.

Multi-millionaires pay less percentage in income taxes than middle class citizens.

Who Pays Income Taxes and How Much?

Tax Year 2009

Percentiles Ranked by AGI

Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1% pay 36.73%

Top 5% pay 58.66%

Top 10% pay 70.47%

Top 25% pay 87.30%

Top 50% pay 97.75 %

Bottom 50% pay 2.25%

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

How much more would you have them pay?