[sunnyatlast]

"One of the biggest voter frauds may be the idea promoted.....that there is no voter fraud, that laws requiring voters to have a photo identification are just attempts to suppress black voting.

Reporter John Fund has written three books on voter fraud and a recent survey by Old Dominion University indicates that there are more than a million registered voters who are not citizens, and who therefore are not legally entitled to vote.

The most devastating account of voter fraud may be in the book Injustice by J. Christian Adams. He was a Justice Department attorney, who detailed with inside knowledge the voter frauds known to the Justice Department, and ignored....

One of these frauds involved sending out absentee ballots to people who had never asked for them. Then a political operator would show up -- uninvited -- the day the ballots arrived and "help" the voter to fill them out. Sometimes the intruders simply took the ballots, filled them out and forged the signatures of the voters....."

Voter fraud and voter I.D.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

"One of the biggest voter frauds may be the idea promoted.....that there is no voter fraud, that laws requiring voters to have a photo identification are just attempts to suppress black voting.

Reporter John Fund has written three books on voter fraud and a recent survey by Old Dominion University indicates that there are more than a million registered voters who are not citizens, and who therefore are not legally entitled to vote.

The most devastating account of voter fraud may be in the book Injustice by J. Christian Adams. He was a Justice Department attorney, who detailed with inside knowledge the voter frauds known to the Justice Department, and ignored....

One of these frauds involved sending out absentee ballots to people who had never asked for them. Then a political operator would show up -- uninvited -- the day the ballots arrived and "help" the voter to fill them out. Sometimes the intruders simply took the ballots, filled them out and forged the signatures of the voters....."

Voter fraud and voter I.D.

A couple of things in Sowell's article made me wonder a bit. As stated above, absentee ballots would be sent out to people who never asked forthem. Who would send them out? It is only done by request.

Also, the article stated that free photo ID is available for all people. I do not think that is true. A Florida photo ID card costs about $50. Where are photo ID cards free?

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

A couple of things in Sowell's article made me wonder a bit. As stated above, absentee ballots would be sent out to people who never asked forthem. Who would send them out? It is only done by request.

Also, the article stated that free photo ID is available for all people. I do not think that is true. A Florida photo ID card costs about $50. Where are photo ID cards free?

Twenty-five bucks for Florida ID

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

A couple of things in Sowell's article made me wonder a bit. As stated above, absentee ballots would be sent out to people who never asked forthem. Who would send them out? It is only done by request.

Also, the article stated that free photo ID is available for all people. I do not think that is true. A Florida photo ID card costs about $50. Where are photo ID cards free?

Here are a few ways!

"Joe Carrillo, the private detective who broke the 2012 absentee ballot fraud case, said absentee ballots are the Holy Grail to fraudsters. “Two hundred thousand absentee ballots were delivered last time (for the primary election Aug. 26), but only 100,000 were returned (meaning they were filled out legitimately and returned to the Department of Elections.) What happened to the other 100,000?” he asks.

“That is how elections are stolen in Miami Dade County,” Carrillo said.

He said scammers request absentee ballots through the Internet and falsify request forms because it’s less risky than going door to door.

“Now ballot brokers (people who collect fraudulent absentee ballots) are afraid of going out in the street asking people — most of them elderly who don’t know anything about the electoral process — for their ballots,” Carrillo said.

“This is a long-term problem in Florida,” said Hans von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow at Heritage Foundation. “I don’t think much has been done since the 1998 (Department of Law Enforcement) report came out to fix the problem.”


As election day nears, talk turns to absentee ballot fraud | Human Events

[Sandtrap328]

[QUOTE=Rags123;963395]Here are a few ways!

"Joe Carrillo, the private detective who broke the 2012 absentee ballot fraud case, said absentee ballots are the Holy Grail to fraudsters. “Two hundred thousand absentee ballots were delivered last time (for the primary election Aug. 26), but only 100,000 were returned (meaning they were filled out legitimately and returned to the Department of Elections.) What happened to the other 100,000?” he asks.

“That is how elections are stolen in Miami Dade County,” Carrillo said.

He said scammers request absentee ballots through the Internet and falsify request forms because it’s less risky than going door to door.

“Now ballot brokers (people who collect fraudulent absentee ballots) are afraid of going out in the street asking people — most of them elderly who don’t know anything about the electoral process — for their ballots,” Carrillo said.

“This is a long-term problem in Florida,” said Hans von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow at Heritage Foundation. “I don’t think much has been done since the 1998 (Department of Law Enforcement) report came out to fix the problem.”


As election day nears, talk turns to absentee ballot fraud | Human Events[/

"Aye, Caramba, you got some 'splaining to do, Lucy!"

[Rags123]

[quote=Sandtrap328;963397]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Here are a few ways!

"Joe Carrillo, the private detective who broke the 2012 absentee ballot fraud case, said absentee ballots are the Holy Grail to fraudsters. “Two hundred thousand absentee ballots were delivered last time (for the primary election Aug. 26), but only 100,000 were returned (meaning they were filled out legitimately and returned to the Department of Elections.) What happened to the other 100,000?” he asks.

“That is how elections are stolen in Miami Dade County,” Carrillo said.

He said scammers request absentee ballots through the Internet and falsify request forms because it’s less risky than going door to door.

“Now ballot brokers (people who collect fraudulent absentee ballots) are afraid of going out in the street asking people — most of them elderly who don’t know anything about the electoral process — for their ballots,” Carrillo said.

“This is a long-term problem in Florida,” said Hans von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow at Heritage Foundation. “I don’t think much has been done since the 1998 (Department of Law Enforcement) report came out to fix the problem.”


As election day nears, talk turns to absentee ballot fraud | Human Events[/

"Aye, Caramba, you got some 'splaining to do, Lucy!"

My opinion....fraudulent voting NOT funny !

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

"One of the biggest voter frauds may be the idea promoted.....that there is no voter fraud.

This is very pithy and well put. Never thought of it quite like that before.

[cherylncliff]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Holy smokes. They aren't citizens, why should they have a say. Can you name any other country that allows this?

In fact, several countries allow non-nationals to vote. Here are a few- Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Israel, Spain Sweden and some others.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

A couple of things in Sowell's article made me wonder a bit. As stated above, absentee ballots would be sent out to people who never asked forthem. Who would send them out? It is only done by request.

Also, the article stated that free photo ID is available for all people. I do not think that is true. A Florida photo ID card costs about $50. Where are photo ID cards free?

Colorado mailed out a ballot to every registered voter without requests for them:

"DENVER—A new election system using all mail-in ballots faces an immediate test in Colorado, with tight Senate, House and gubernatorial races that are being closely watched nationally.

Hoping to boost turnout, the Democrat-led legislature here passed a law a year ago requiring Colorado to use mail-in ballots in virtually all elections. Some Republicans, including the secretary of state, have voiced concern about mandating the system statewide, saying that relying so heavily on the postal service could cause problems, especially for rural voters. Democrats have said that the two other states with all-mail elections, Washington and Oregon, have experienced few problems……"
Colorado Mail-In Voting Gets Early Test - WSJ - WSJ

"Washington State votes by mail. Vote by mail is convenient and gives you extra time to learn about the ballot measures and candidates before casting your vote.

1. Receive your ballot

Your ballot is mailed to you at least 18 days before each election. To receive your ballot, your voter registration mailing address must be current. You can update your address online with MyVote.
https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/e...e_by_mail.aspx

States requiring photo ID and they issue state ID for free:

"U.S. Supreme Court Decision Blocks Wisconsin Voter Photo ID Law
Late Thursday, October 9, 2014, the United States Supreme Court issued an order blocking implementation of Wisconsin's voter photo ID law for the November 4, 2014 General Election.
Any information on this website stating that voter photo ID is in effect for the November 4, 2014 General Election should be disregarded.
How to Get a Free State ID Card for Voting
The Wisconsin Department of Transportation is providing free state ID cards for voting. To learn about getting a free Wisconsin ID card, please visit the Wisconsin Department of Transportation website: Wisconsin DMV Official Government Site - Obtaining an ID card.
New Free State ID Card Policy for People without Birth Certificates
The Wisconsin Division of Motor Vehicles has a new policy starting September 15, 2014 to help people who need a free state ID card for voting.
Voter Photo ID Law Information | Government Accountability Board
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Georgia:
GEORGIA'S VOTER IDENTIFICATION CARD

If you do not have one of the six acceptable forms of photo ID, the State of Georgia offers a FREE Voter Identification Card. An identification card can be issued at any county registrar's office or Department of Driver Services Office free of charge.

To receive a voter identification card, the voter must provide:…..
georgia voter identification requirements2
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Alabama:
Voters may obtain a free photo ID from the Secretary of State's Office, their county registrar's office or a mobile location, which changes daily. The mobile location schedule can be found here.[3]..
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"North Carolina residents who do not have valid forms of photo identification may apply for a free ID card at any North Carolina DMV.[43]
North Carolina was the first state to approve a voter ID law since the Supreme Court June 2013 ruling, where the high court struck down portions of the federal Voting Rights Act…."
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"South Carolina: All voters are required to show photo identification at the polls. This includes a state driver's license, identification card, voter registration card that contains a photo, federal military ID or a U.S. passport. Voters can get a free photo ID from their county voter registration office by providing their name, date of birth and the last four digits of their social security number….."
State by State Voter ID Laws - Ballotpedia

[applesoffh]

Now that the National elections are over and the winners have, for the most part, been decided, seems all the non-citizens and those who voted in two states voted for Republicans. I'm sure that's calmed everyone's fears.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by applesoffh

Now that the National elections are over and the winners have, for the most part, been decided, seems all the non-citizens and those who voted in two states voted for Republicans. I'm sure that's calmed everyone's fears.

That is one way to look at it! That makes one very big, impossible assumption that it takes non citizens to win!

Another would be that all the non citizens voted democratic and the largely republican citizen base turnout beat them!

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by billethkid

That is one way to look at it! That makes one very big, impossible assumption that it takes non citizens to win!

Another would be that all the non citizens voted democratic and the largely republican citizen base turnout beat them!

I think your 2nd hypothesis rings true ...

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by dbussone
Holy smokes. They aren't citizens, why should they have a say. Can you name any other country that allows this?

Originally Posted by CherylInCliff
In fact, several countries allow non-nationals to vote. Here are a few- Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Israel, Spain Sweden and some others.
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I believe you are wrong about Canada allowing non citizens to vote.

And even though I'm a Canadian who owns a home in Florida and lives in the USA six months every year (and pays taxes all year long), I would NEVER expect to have the privilege of voting in any US election.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Originally Posted by dbussone
Holy smokes. They aren't citizens, why should they have a say. Can you name any other country that allows this?

Originally Posted by CherylInCliff
In fact, several countries allow non-nationals to vote. Here are a few- Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Israel, Spain Sweden and some others.
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I believe you are wrong about Canada allowing non citizens to vote.

And even though I'm a Canadian who owns a home in Florida and lives in the USA six months every year (and pays taxes all year long), I would NEVER expect to have the privilege of voting in any US election.

Barefoot

Thanks for your posting ... it's refreshing to see common sense

I only wish that common sense, such as yours, could somehow prove to be more common and widespread than it seems to be.

[billethkid]

a lot of chatter and opinions about whether non citizens or illegals should vote.

A thought to be pursued for discussion is why would a non citizen and especially illegals want to vote?

The ones who want to vote in the neighborhood owners club is fine.
But what is their incentive to try to vote and get caught if not a legal vote?

People usually act on that which benefits them....or whoever is paying them. It would be interesting to know, if available, the distribution of the non citizen votes by party.