[gomoho]

Do you really believe if a mentally ill person wants a gun to go on a rampage and can't get one legally he won't go in the street and buy one??? I can almost guarantee you if I wanted to buy any type of weapon my kids could find it in less than a day. And I say my kids 'cause if they saw me coming to buy it they would probably be very suspicious.
More laws won't fix the problem and we're wasting time and energy fighting that battle.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I am very pro gun, am a gun owner and did 22 years in the military fighting for the second amendment as well as the rest of the constitution. I being a well informed person who disagrees with the anti gun/2nd amendment crowd know that evil will never be eliminated, but the NRA is an EVIL that we can do something about. The NRA uses the 2nd amendment as a means to more money and membership. No one is trying to take our guns away, but many buy into that fantasy and send their dollars to the laughing NRA.

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

I'm sure now that you are impervious to FACTS, but I'll give it one more try.

On March 18, 2013, Chris Cox, Executive Director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, had an editorial published in The Hill congressional newspaper in which he said, " Shouldn't Congress and the White House be working to get mentally ill people and felons into the database so we can actually have a chance at preventing them from purchasing firearms?"

The entire editorial is available at NRA | A Universally Bad Idea

The NRA has a history of calling for congress to get the mentally ill and felons INTO the background check database.

Sorry. Absolutely not true. The NRA put provisions into the above that in fact caused it to be voted down. I am surprised that you did not know that. This is documented clearly about the trickery and lies from the NRA and even trying to turn it around in an attempt to bring back disalusioned previous members. If you like, I could help you with your research into the truth on this issue.
Send me a PM if you need more help, I will be out of the net for a while, but will get back with you as soon as possible.

[billethkid]

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Sorry. Absolutely not true. The NRA put provisions into the above that in fact caused it to be voted down. I am surprised that you did not know that. This is documented clearly about the trickery and lies from the NRA and even trying to turn it around in an attempt to bring back disalusioned previous members. If you like, I could help you with your research into the truth on this issue.
Send me a PM if you need more help, I will be out of the net for a while, but will get back with you as soon as possible.

No, don't help me with my research... and let's not handle it in private. If you have FACTS, with legitimate sources that everyone can read on line then put them right out here for everyone to read.

[RLL39]

If we believe that the future is in some way a representation of the past, then we are doomed to repeat our failures. Hitler, Pol Pot and others disarmed their citizens and the result is history. 50 million dead. At the risk of being overly dramatic, the NRA is the only fire wall that can steadfastly protect our Second Amendment. Blaming the NRA and legislating new gun control laws, have no impact on the atrocities of Colorado, Newtown and the Navy Yard. Mental Health, inner city crime and the break down of the American family structure has its finger prints all over these events.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

I'm cutting in line without reading previous posts to say this:
when I see a man under 35 that went off on a rampage the first thing I think is paranoid schizophrenia. It is as much a tragedy for that person and his family as it is for every other person involved. Not guilty by reason of insanity, but still dead.
What's tricky about enacting laws is the disorder has its onset during young manhood. or in the case of women, grossly stereotyping, they drown their babies. So who knew they were sick? Somebody close to them knew...
This nation dismantled its mental health treatment system way long ago....nevermind gun control, how about treatment?
so carry on with whatever you guys were talking about. sorry to cut in. I'm done.

Originally Posted by Monkei

Forget all these killings ... I think that most gun owners who are members of te NRA would welcome background checks. But it's not the rank and file members in the NRA its the tie in to keep gun manufacturers fat happy and rich.

Okay, You/Kitty and You/Monkei have provided some very good information, some of which I haven't thought about, although I have long noted the negative fallout from dismantling the mental health system.

I guess one should not paint the NRA with one broad brush.

[MikeV]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Laws would slow it down and the NRA blocks every attempt to make guns harder to get for the mentally ill.

Again, I am a gun owner and support that, but, what the NRA does in support of criminals is EVIL.

Without the NRA you would not own a gun and would therefore be at the mercy of criminals and the government. Why not move to England or Australia?

[buggyone]

Even though I classify myself as a liberal person, I am not against private ownership of guns. I see nothing wrong with someone having a rifle or shotgun for hunting or sport shooting nor anything wrong with having a handgun for protection in your home. It is downright ridiculous to carry a handgun while out in The Villages but if you have a permit and do it properly, no problem. Do it improperly or display it improperly and be prepared to pay consequences.

I see absolutely no reason to have private ownership of weapons like "streetsweeper shotguns" with 100 round drum magazines, rifles that can hold 100 rounds in a drum magazine and easily be turned into full automatic, or 30 round pistols.

Constitution rights, in my belief, for guns mean you can own a gun but there are limits on what you as a private citizen can own. Gun ownership to sensible weapons - not weapons of mass destruction.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by MikeV

Without the NRA you would not own a gun and would therefore be at the mercy of criminals and the government. Why not move to England or Australia?

Or the ones who want no control can move to Somalia, Chad, or Afghanistan.