[keywest]

That has been my question all along too, Suzi, about the silent majority of the rest of the Muslims across the world and in this country. If they do not want to be thought of as "okaying" the actions of the extremists , then speak up against against that faction of their religion that are carrying out their terrorist acts.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

Hi Coach: Dead is dead and i agree. Terrorism is terroism and I agree. Evil is evil and I agree. Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hilter Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot Benito Mussollini did not do their evil based on religion but on domination and conquests. Jim Jones perhaps could be said did but was his really a religion.

Indeed the outcome was the same and a tragic one at that but lumping them all together in my view is wrong because of the the manner in which one goes about ridding themselves of vermin such as this.

Beside which we always fall back on two wrongs don't make a right. that is why I do not like to compare Presidents because each faced similar but different issues in their time

and once again the OP's question had to do with Muslims. I had always said women understand politics better than men in that if you ask them a question in an attempt to explain themselves you are going to get a question in reply....and that is what is happening on this thread.

Radical Muslims want to kill Jews, Christians and Buddhist, Hindu's other Muslims and their mantra is quite clear convert or go under the sword

Iran, Syria Afghanistan Yemen, etc believe theirs is a holy war

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by keywest

That has been my question all along too, Suzi, about the silent majority of the rest of the Muslims across the world and in this country. If they do not want to be thought of as "okaying" the actions of the extremists , then speak up against against that faction of their religion that are carrying out their terrorist acts.

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heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Excerpt:

heaping an expectation on Muslims - to call out "their" criminals - is absurd when no similar expectation is placed on any other religious, ethnic, or ideological group. Is it appropriate for a white man to tell "the hispanics" to make proclamations against the drug trade? Why should a hispanic who has never even touched drugs speak out against drug lords? His abstention from engaging in the drug trade is condemnation enough. The same goes for Muslims and terrorism. If you want a Muslim to condemn terrorism, realize that he has done so by not engaging in it. Life becomes quite insufferable for Muslims if before speaking about any subject a Muslim is required to first "demonstrate" that he is not "on the side of the enemy.

Who wants speak out about bombing of Planned Parenthood centers?

Who wants to speak out about the White Arayan Front?

These are mostly "white" groups so I hope the The Village people are condemning these acts.

We are talking about extreme Islamic terrorists.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi Coach: Dead is dead and i agree. Terrorism is terroism and I agree. Evil is evil and I agree. Timothy McVeigh, Adolph Hilter Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot Benito Mussollini did not do their evil based on religion but on domination and conquests. Jim Jones perhaps could be said did but was his really a religion.

Indeed the outcome was the same and a tragic one at that but lumping them all together in my view is wrong because of the the manner in which one goes about ridding themselves of vermin such as this.

Beside which we always fall back on two wrongs don't make a right. that is why I do not like to compare Presidents because each faced similar but different issues in their time

and once again the OP's question had to do with Muslims. I had always said women understand politics better than men in that if you ask them a question in an attempt to explain themselves you are going to get a question in reply....and that is what is happening on this thread.

Radical Muslims want to kill Jews, Christians and Buddhist, Hindu's other Muslims and their mantra is quite clear convert or go under the sword

Iran, Syria Afghanistan Yemen, etc believe theirs is a holy war

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[kittygilchrist]

jihad.

Jihadwatch.org what are they saying?

"Our doctrine is to exterminate the Jews."

[bluedog103]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

So you are saying you "look for" radical Muslims when you get on a plane? Exactly how do they look? That would help us all including the TSA.

I'm pretty sure the TSA has a really good idea how to identify a likely radical Muslim the same as you do but their hands are tied. To not to appear to be profiling they must equally search 90 year old women and 3 year old children with the chance of snagging a terrorist pure luck. Ridiculous

[Steve9930]

The truth is you can never negotiate with evil fanatics. If you want peace you must kill every one of them. If you try to ignore them you will ignore them at your own peril. Many innocent people have died in the name of religion. Society decides what is acceptable behavior based on some foundation of values. What we decide as a nation is whether we will be part of the world and enforce the rules of acceptable behavior. The current labelled terrorists take a perverted view of Islam. They look at it an take a literal interpretation. They believe in what they are doing and they also believe it is the will of God. There is no negotiations that will work with this group of people. They also do not speak for all Muslims of the world.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

I think you have to analyze each one separately. Timothy McVeigh was not making a religious statement: He wasn't bombing a federal building on behalf of Christianity. So it was a one time event that would not likely be repeated by other Christians. He wasn't marshaling other Christians to his cause. Other Christians were appalled and shocked by the bombing. He had no following among Christians.

Was Adolph Hitler a practicing Christian? What faith did he practice? He was an evil dictator who tried to establish a master race. We knew what he was about and we defeated him. His soldiers wore uniforms so we could identify them. Muslim extremists don't wear uniforms and can pop up anywhere. That makes them scary and hard to defeat.

What were the religions of the other dictators you mentioned? Are dictators usually religious? They're evil but they are usually kept in their box.

The Jim Jones incident was terribly unfortunate and devastating to the families of those who died but he wasn't trying to take over the world. No one is worried about a repeat of that happening again. Jim Jones didn't send his followers, wearing suicide vests, to bomb innocent people. Therefore, we no longer worry about them, it's history.

[MikeV]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Or perhaps, are you afraid of people who will blow themselves up to kill large groups of people? IN TODAY'S WORLD. RIGHT NOW. Forget about history.

Very nice Gracie. I don't understand why people bring up the past to deal with the present. Yes, there have been terrible things done by many groups be they religious or political but we should be concerned with the here and now. I understand that past experience may shape how one acts but maybe if we just let go of some things that happened a very long time ago maybe the world could be a little more pleasant.

[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

What faith was Timothy McVeigh? What faith was Adolph Hitler? What faith was Joseph Stalin? What faith was Pol Pot? What faith was Idi Amin? What faith was Benito Mussollini? What faith was Jim Jones? Evil comes I all forms and faiths. RADICAL Muslims are dangerous, as are radical Christians, radical Buddhists, radical Jews, radical atheists, and on and on.

Excellent, VERY intelligent response and well said!

[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Your post is very disturbing and shameful.

To say that all of any religious or ethnic group is bad, fanatical, etc.,
is ridiculous, prejudicial, and simply not true.

[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I can't say I'm afraid of fanatics but I truly loathe them. Fanaticism is a true evil. Extremists have no boundaries, whether Islamics, Christians or of some other bent.

I can't say I blame many that hate America. While the American people are some of the most generous people that exist, the same cannot be said of our government. We've supported some truly evil regimes to protect American businesses and interests. Frequently at the expense of the people who lived there. Think of Vietnam, Nicaragua, Argentina, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, The Philippines and on and on. We haven't always been the good guys.

But, back to subject. Yes, there are Islamic extremists who want to destroy America. There are Nazis and skinheads in this country who see nothing wrong with maiming, torturing and killing those who are different or hold opposing views. There are religious fanatics in America who are more than willing to start modern-day Crusades. There are anti-abortion foes who think killing doctors and blowing up clinics with people inside is perfectly acceptable. So, I'm not afraid of Islamic extremists. I'm afraid of any group or person that is willing to harm others for their point of view. Evil is not limited to one group or one religion or one skin color.

Well said again a logical, intelligent approach to the issue.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by rdhdleo

Excellent, VERY intelligent response and well said!

Really? How much thought was put into it with no context for any of the examples? Those dictators were either contained or defeated.

Muslim extremists have not been contained or defeated.

[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Really? How much thought was put into it with no context for any of the examples? Those dictators were either contained or defeated.

Muslim extremists have not been contained or defeated.

Yes Really! The hope is one day the current extremists will also be defeated and or contained. Without hope of this the future would look bleak. I prefer to have hope. I still agree with that posters response. We all have our own opinions. If you're at peace with yours then all is good but I will not let fear rule my life.