[graciegirl]

I read the "Mad Cowboy" interview with Dr. Esselstyn. I was surprised by how nice the good doctor seemed and very surprised by the fact that the research that he has based his diet on had only 23 participants over 20 years.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I read the "Mad Cowboy" interview with Dr. Esselstyn. I was surprised by how nice the good doctor seemed and very surprised by the fact that the research that he has based his diet on had only 23 participants over 20 years.

Do you have a link Gracie? 23 participants? Really?

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Really good list of vegans who , unfortunately, passed from cancer.
.

Hello! that list was vegetarians, you really didn't read that stuff.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I read the "Mad Cowboy" interview with Dr. Esselstyn. I was surprised by how nice the good doctor seemed and very surprised by the fact that the research that he has based his diet on had only 23 participants over 20 years.

Gracie, I think you miss understood something there!

It was not based on 23 folks.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Hello! that list was vegetarians, you really didn't read that stuff.



Gracie, I think you miss understood something there!

It was not based on 23 folks.

I think that is what I read. The people that Dr. Esselstyn followed. Scroll down to size of study. The China study is another thing entirely.
http://madcowboy.com/EssyInterviewFinal.PDF

[jimbo2012]

Ok, my error, I thought U were referring to the China study.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

There are sooo many factors that MAY cause cells to mutate or go awry. Senior Citizen points out the EMF factor which I believe is HUGE. There are so many more waves in the air now than in days past that in actuality we are living in a "soup" that our bodies were never designed to handle and we will each respond in our own unique way. If you are drawn or resonate with certain types of information, then maybe that is the avenue that needs to be pursued to help keep you balanced within the "soup".

For me on a physical level, the bottom line is the immune system, which includes so many things, especially the gut flora. And even more importantly I believe, it would be invaluable for each person to stay conscious of the emotional vibration that s/he is vibrating moment to moment.

For anyone interested in this type of study, there are 2 books by Richard Bartlett DC,ND MATRIX ENERGETICS and THE PHYSICS OF MIRACLES that you might find worthwhile reading.

LW888

Have you done any research on "smart meters".....???? We didn't even know they were coming to our home; they just rang the doorbell and said they were doing it...........I have since read that we could "opt out" but then it would cost $10 a month to have a meter reader come to the house each month to read the analog meter.


Would appreciate any info on these new "smart meters" to read the electricity useage in the homes. When we were in TV last autumn, the home did have a smart meter. At home in Vermont, we still had the old fashioned analog meter.

Now, this past week, our Green Mountain Power Company just installed
a "smart meter" on our home and took away our analog one.

After doing some research, I'm a bit alarmed at the potential health risks.......but don't fully understand it all. My husband doesn't know what to think......but thinks that one would be exposed ONLY NEAR THE METER. I was wondering if the entire house, wherever electricity comes out of the sockets or whatever......would have the harmful effects.

Or are there NO HARMFUL EFFECTS from these smart meters?

Our state just passed a law that people can indeed "opt out"......wish I had known that. I guess we just assumed we had to request the power company to come to our home an install it..........so we bided our time.

[lightworker888]

I just heard about the opt out option so I am going to look into that when I get back. Have to check out TV's regs on that. The info on smart meters and wind turbines etc is quite wide spread now. They both pollute the air. I liken them to giant microwaves all around us. We haven't had a microwave for years and we know from our work that the body energy (meridian system) is affected by the different waves.

Think about how your body responds to different people and different colors and different emotions. They are all vibrations and they affect the internal "soup".

We wear catalyst beads (emfblues.com) and have worn them for years. I have been communicating with this company for 20+ years and have used and sold their products. If you want more info let me know. Through muscle checking and kirlian photography you can see that the products work. It is impossible to change the environment, though you can certainly make it less toxic. However you can do something about keeping yourself free of the effects of the toxicity.

A neighbour of our up here has been battling health issues that are a direct result of the EMF field he has been in. It hasn't been that long that the concept of "sick buildings" was unheard of or ridiculed. Some people still aren't aware of the damage they can do to people's health. All the environmental allergies, that so many people are suffering from, has many different sources, and I would call the EMF field one of them. Smart meters are just one of the contributing factors. BTW Fluorescent lights are another and think about the school environments. It goes on and on. So we just chip away as we get more info and allow ourselves to become more conscious. Like Lao Tzu said " A journey of a million miles............"

LW888

[Villages PL]

I found several inacuracies in what Dr. Simpson said about "The China Study".
As I read his paper, I began to wonder if he read the same China Study that I read.

I don't have much time right now. But for starters a BIG BIG inaccuracy is when he reported that the author, Dr. Campbell, stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer. Dr. Campbell never stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer.

Did someone pay Dr. Simpson to do this hatchet job? Was it the Meat and Dairy Association?
Or is the website simply a phony setup.

Pooh, if you really wanted to know the truth, you would take the time to read the book for yourself.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

I just heard about the opt out option so I am going to look into that when I get back. Have to check out TV's regs on that. The info on smart meters and wind turbines etc is quite wide spread now. They both pollute the air. I liken them to giant microwaves all around us. We haven't had a microwave for years and we know from our work that the body energy (meridian system) is affected by the different waves.

Think about how your body responds to different people and different colors and different emotions. They are all vibrations and they affect the internal "soup".

We wear catalyst beads (emfblues.com) and have worn them for years. I have been communicating with this company for 20+ years and have used and sold their products. If you want more info let me know. Through muscle checking and kirlian photography you can see that the products work. It is impossible to change the environment, though you can certainly make it less toxic. However you can do something about keeping yourself free of the effects of the toxicity.

A neighbour of our up here has been battling health issues that are a direct result of the EMF field he has been in. It hasn't been that long that the concept of "sick buildings" was unheard of or ridiculed. Some people still aren't aware of the damage they can do to people's health. All the environmental allergies, that so many people are suffering from, has many different sources, and I would call the EMF field one of them. Smart meters are just one of the contributing factors. BTW Fluorescent lights are another and think about the school environments. It goes on and on. So we just chip away as we get more info and allow ourselves to become more conscious. Like Lao Tzu said " A journey of a million miles............"

LW888

Interesting.

Last winter a resident of our town, whom we know, wrote a letter to the newspaper about her concerns for the cell tower in town that she felt had undermined her husband's health in numerous ways. Not one person replied to her letter to the editor. I'm sure she was thought of as a crank. She's a college educated woman, who herself is living with 3 auto immune diseases for twenty years now but has a high powered position in town.

Well, my husband just saw her husband the other day, sitting in front of his home in a wheelchair.......had turned totally grey haired (long straggly hair) and had aged a thousand years from the once handsome vigorous man we had known who actually worked in the healthcare business...........he obviously was very sick from SOMETHING. I wonder if her thoughts about the proximity to the cell phone tower were viable.
It was in back of the police station. So, kind of close to the center of town and in a radious of some of the lower neighborhoods. We are up on the hill but she seemed to feel that this "new" cell tower could emit dangerous rays to quite a large area.

Scary stuff.

It wasn't high tension wires......but a cell phone tower. Not very big at that.

Thanks....

[Cantwaittoarrive]

It seems no matter how hard we try or what we do life on earth is fatal. I think what is more important than what or how you eat is how do you live? Do you live each day likes it your last? Do you make sure to tell the ones you love that you love them and that they are special? Do you do today what you could do tomorrow if you have tomorrow? Are you thankful for each sunrise and each sunset? Do you live your life with no regrets? Each day do try to make someelse's day special?

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

It seems no matter how hard we try or what we do life on earth is fatal. I think what is more important than what or how you eat is how do you live? Do you live each day likes it your last? Do you make sure to tell the ones you love that you love them and that they are special? Do you do today what you could do tomorrow if you have tomorrow? Are you thankful for each sunrise and each sunset? Do you live your life with no regrets? Each day do try to make someelse's day special?

Words of wisdom

[lightworker888]

Your story is one of many and they are all sad to see. Cell towers, Hydro lines, all emit waves which we all are affected by. I wonder how much of the bee population decline might be impacted by the environment that the bees are now having to live in. I'm sure that they weren't designed to be flying through all the altered air. It might be like flying through a tsumani or something like that. Maybe they are like the "canaries" in the mines, only we aren't paying attention .

It is such a complicated challenge that it could drive you nuts. As I see it we just have to joyfully go with what resonates and know that we are always doing the best we can, given all the information, history and energy that we have at the moment.

LW888

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

It seems no matter how hard we try or what we do life on earth is fatal. I think what is more important than what or how you eat is how do you live? Do you live each day likes it your last? Do you make sure to tell the ones you love that you love them and that they are special? Do you do today what you could do tomorrow if you have tomorrow? Are you thankful for each sunrise and each sunset? Do you live your life with no regrets? Each day do try to make someelse's day special?

Interesting post. My first thought was that I agree with all of it. But, no, I'm not the type of person who just goes along with everything, just to be agreeable. I can't help thinking for myself.

Yes, life is fatal. Did anyone ever think otherwise?

But then you make a distinction between how one eats and how one lives. Just because love is important, doesn't mean eating can't be important too. Everything in my life is important. If I keep myself healthy I'll be better able to love and help others.

No, I don't live each day as though it's my last. That would be to reckless in my opinion and not very optimistic.

But I am thankful everyday. We agree on that.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I think much the same as you don't truely receive unless you give. I think you can't truely live until you realize you are dying. It's not reckless it invigorating. Live each days as if it's your last. What if you wake up tomorrow morning and find out you have hours to live? What will you wish you had done today that you missed out on because you were afraid it was too reckless. Like the song says "Live like you are dying"

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I found several inacuracies in what Dr. Simpson said about "The China Study".
As I read his paper, I began to wonder if he read the same China Study that I read.

I don't have much time right now. But for starters a BIG BIG inaccuracy is when he reported that the author, Dr. Campbell, stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer. Dr. Campbell never stated that a vegan diet can cure cancer.

Did someone pay Dr. Simpson to do this hatchet job? Was it the Meat and Dairy Association?
Or is the website simply a phony setup.

Pooh, if you really wanted to know the truth, you would take the time to read the book for yourself.

If I really want to know about the China Study, I will read the actually study and then the book. Not sure if I can access the information. In all probability, I know I will not. Various eating patterns have been tried over the course of my lifetime and I've come to realize what foods keep me feeling well and happy. Alas, lots of fruit and veggies to the exclusion of animal protein, does not work for me.

I will continue to check on what you've said about Simpson saying the book states vegan diets can cure cancer. From portions of the book that I have read online, it seems that the book implies that this may be the case. I'm sure if I've interpreted this incorrectly, you'll be kind enough to correct me.

Actually, I just presented Dr. Simpson's website as an opposing view to veganism. There are many others who feel an all plant based diet isn't the best for mankind.

We all have matters, events, situations we feel strongly about. I don't really know you, VPL, can only get some of your personality from what and how you write here. Doing what you feel will help keep you free from certain conditions, is important to you and the vegan diet appears to be how you are going about achieving this. Hopefully it will work well for you and you will continue to live with the excellent health you now seem to be experiencing. Many of us recognize the importance of a good diet, but feel there are other diets more suitable for how we want to live. Everyday new research unlocks some of the mystery of what Man is and how Man works...it's really kind of neat. Hopefully one day there will be a definitive answer to why certain diseases plague us, why certain genes causing deformities, illness, turn on in some situations.
In the meantime, we all do what we think is best for us. I wish you health and happiness....