[TimeForChange]

Tell me, how has the lockdown in Europe working?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Scott O

Thank you, that is exactly what’s going on and you don’t believe the numbers are correct at all...just spewing out test results, not the amount of people who are actually taking them...also the tests are NOT always accurate on top of it...I personally know those who have had inaccurate results and some multiple times...it’s all a political game...I believe it exists, but believe it’s very inaccurate reporting...

I haven't believed the numbers for some time now so I don't even pay attention to the numbers. Having said that, what I do pay attention to is how the hospitals are becoming overwhelmed with Covid patients. I don't ever recall hearing that hospitals have been overwhelmed during the height of flu season. Those awful images of health care workers being stressed beyond their limits is quite distressing. I don't ever recall seeing images of health care workers on the verge of exhaustion during the height of flu season. This is what is being reported on the news. I can see it with my own eyes and listen to the heartbreaking stories by the healthcare workers. I just don't ever recall seeing coverage of this magnitude during flu season.

[Byte1]

THE SKY IS A FALLIN' REPENT, the end of the world is nigh.
For crying out loud, get over it. Tomorrow, all this venting will all be for naught. No matter what someone does, there will always be someone that will say they shouldn't do it. MIND your own business and let others live their lives, whether safely or dangerously.
It amazes me when I hear folks on here defending China or espousing how great some other country has handled the virus. This is America, so if you don't like it then either leave or come up with a solution that folks are willing to adopt. You are not always right, and you only think you know it all. I am not attacking a particular poster, just generalizing. However, a few on here run amok screaming that we are all doomed. Well, guess what? Things are getting better without a mask mandate. Why? Who knows, maybe the virus is getting weaker or people are getting more resistant to it. I don't know, but I am not going to allow a few screaming "Karens" (where did that term come from?) ruin my few years left in this world. If you don't like my attitude, then don't read my posts and don't leave your home. Like I said before, I follow the store rules or I don't shop there. Otherwise, if you see me, stay clear. Maintain your safe distance and you AND I will be fine. I don't like people close to me anyway, unless they are family.
Tomorrow, after the election is over you can all go back to being just normal miserable people, because it won't be long before the virus will just be a footnote in the history books.
I will do just what I have been doing in past years, wiping my shopping cart down with the wipes they supply at the store entrances. And washing my hands frequently during the day (habit from living overseas). The flu will be the next big scare. Will we inundate the forum with FLU pandemic hysteria? Will the Villages suddenly embrace golf cart parades at St.Patty's day and Christmas again, or will they still accuse others of "super spreading?" Yes, I am being my usual facetious self. Sorry folks, but I know my lifespan is getting closer to the expiration date so I plan to appreciate each chance at being outdoors that I can. I am not going to dwell on the evils of this world, even if our gov. changes after tomorrow. Like a statement made famous by one president a while back "Don't worry, be happy."

[louie34]

So was Lake Sumter square!

[mrf6969]

The largest US gathering this year since COVID-19 was in Sturgis SD. 450,000 attended. 300 confirmed COVID cases since to date according to the experts. That is .009% rate of infection from the Sturgis Rally event. Lets please stop all the fear mongering.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

THE SKY IS A FALLIN' REPENT, the end of the world is nigh.
For crying out loud, get over it. Tomorrow, all this venting will all be for naught. No matter what someone does, there will always be someone that will say they shouldn't do it. MIND your own business and let others live their lives, whether safely or dangerously.
It amazes me when I hear folks on here defending China or espousing how great some other country has handled the virus. This is America, so if you don't like it then either leave or come up with a solution that folks are willing to adopt. You are not always right, and you only think you know it all. I am not attacking a particular poster, just generalizing. However, a few on here run amok screaming that we are all doomed. Well, guess what? Things are getting better without a mask mandate. Why? Who knows, maybe the virus is getting weaker or people are getting more resistant to it. I don't know, but I am not going to allow a few screaming "Karens" (where did that term come from?) ruin my few years left in this world. If you don't like my attitude, then don't read my posts and don't leave your home. Like I said before, I follow the store rules or I don't shop there. Otherwise, if you see me, stay clear. Maintain your safe distance and you AND I will be fine. I don't like people close to me anyway, unless they are family.
Tomorrow, after the election is over you can all go back to being just normal miserable people, because it won't be long before the virus will just be a footnote in the history books.
I will do just what I have been doing in past years, wiping my shopping cart down with the wipes they supply at the store entrances. And washing my hands frequently during the day (habit from living overseas). The flu will be the next big scare. Will we inundate the forum with FLU pandemic hysteria? Will the Villages suddenly embrace golf cart parades at St.Patty's day and Christmas again, or will they still accuse others of "super spreading?" Yes, I am being my usual facetious self. Sorry folks, but I know my lifespan is getting closer to the expiration date so I plan to appreciate each chance at being outdoors that I can. I am not going to dwell on the evils of this world, even if our gov. changes after tomorrow. Like a statement made famous by one president a while back "Don't worry, be happy."

Very confusing. Let's go in order from most erroneous to less. 1st - "things are getting better without a mask mandate" They may be getting better in New Zealand, but not in the good old US of A, Mr. Dog Bytes Man. One need only to tune in their radio or TV to any news outlet and they will find that all the hospitals in the upper mid-West are turning new CV patients away. They, then MUST try to find a hospital for these patients often many states and hundreds of miles away. Their nurses are running SHORT on equipment and staff. It IS an EMERGENCY situation. Doctors have to decide who lives or DIES. No Doctor or nurse wants that. They themselves will have permanent psychological scars. But, apparently if one lives in a bubble known as The Villages, it is OK to ignore their PLEAS for help. If I hear or see one more poster say that "it is JUST like the regular flu" ( and flue is a vent on a furnace by the way), I will pull out my few remaining hairs. Cases have increased to 100,000 per day, AND no end in sight. And you-all can make fun of Dr. Fouci all you want - that just makes you ludicrous and pathetic!
2nd grievous statement - "this is America" - I guess correct geographically speaking. But, I take it to mean that you prefer NOT to compare America to other countries out of FEAR that other countries are rated better (which they are ever since about 1950 on world lists of important VERIFIABLE qualities). That is the only TRUE way to compare. The US is not the only country with an overly high opinion of itself, Brazil does also.
3rd - I could possibly be wrong, but wasn't "Don't worry, be happy" a Calypso song - not some President's quote?
4th - I COULD psychoanalyze the statement, " I don't like people to get close to me, anyway". But, Christmas is coming and I don't want Santa to get peed-off at me.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Very confusing. Let's go in order from most erroneous to less. 1st - "things are getting better without a mask mandate" They may be getting better in New Zealand, but not in the good old US of A, Mr. Dog Bytes Man. One need only to tune in their radio or TV to any news outlet and they will find that all the hospitals in the upper mid-West are turning new CV patients away. They, then MUST try to find a hospital for these patients often many states and hundreds of miles away. Their nurses are running SHORT on equipment and staff. It IS an EMERGENCY situation. Doctors have to decide who lives or DIES. No Doctor or nurse wants that. They themselves will have permanent psychological scars. But, apparently if one lives in a bubble known as The Villages, it is OK to ignore their PLEAS for help. If I hear or see one more poster say that "it is JUST like the regular flu" ( and flue is a vent on a furnace by the way), I will pull out my few remaining hairs. Cases have increased to 100,000 per day, AND no end in sight. And you-all can make fun of Dr. Fouci all you want - that just makes you ludicrous and pathetic!
2nd grievous statement - "this is America" - I guess correct geographically speaking. But, I take it to mean that you prefer NOT to compare America to other countries out of FEAR that other countries are rated better (which they are ever since about 1950 on world lists of important VERIFIABLE qualities). That is the only TRUE way to compare. The US is not the only country with an overly high opinion of itself, Brazil does also.
3rd - I could possibly be wrong, but wasn't "Don't worry, be happy" a Calypso song - not some President's quote?
4th - I COULD psychoanalyze the statement, " I don't like people to get close to me, anyway". But, Christmas is coming and I don't want Santa to get peed-off at me.

Wrong, they are getting better, and you proved my statement of proclaiming how great other countries are doing and how bad you think America is doing. And a personal attack on my name? Not nice.
Yes, I am one of MANY Americans that have a very high opinion of my country. Of course, I am an American citizen so it goes with the territory.
"Don't worry, be happy" that I was referring to was used by George H. Bush in a speech, but I am sure you knew that, but needed to misinterpret my sentence to mean something else. Perhaps, you skimmed over it and didn't quite catch it?
Are you offended when I say that I don't wish people to get close to me? I thought safe distancing was one of today's trends.

I was talking to a gentleman the other day (in his 80's) that had the virus in Feb. He said (kidding?) that they said he was so ill that they weren't going to give him any medicine. Surely he was joking, but I did not ask. He is better now. I had a family member that was 94 and was in the hospital with a recurring heart problem, along with many other illnesses. He passed away and they said it was due to the virus. Right. I know of another relative that died in the hospital that had kidney problems and was in there for dialysis. He started having problems THERE and was put on a respirator. He passed away a few days later. They said it was the virus. He was in his 60's.
I take the virus seriously because of my spouses medical issues. BUT, I will not run around shouting that the sky is falling. Sorry, but I do not care how many "know it alls" declare me "unpatriotic" or a "denier" I will do what I feel is taking the proper precautions according to what I deem to be credible facts, not gossipy speculation.
Whether or not a mask works, anything including a shirt sleeve is better than coughing into the air about you. I appreciate that. Do I always wear a mask in public. No, I don't. If I am social distanced, I do not. I enjoy fresh air and I am not going to wear that thing around me unless I believe it is prudent. Sorry, if that does not agree with your hysterical, dooms day and political interest.
Have a nice day. Don't worry, be happy. And maybe, maybe you can give others confidence that the sun will still rise again tomorrow. Sometimes it is better to tell a little white lie to someone to make them feel better than to needlessly proclaim what you believe is the "fact" or "truth" and make that person ill with grief.

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Wrong, they are getting better, and you proved my statement of proclaiming how great other countries are doing and how bad you think America is doing. And a personal attack on my name? Not nice.
Yes, I am one of MANY Americans that have a very high opinion of my country. Of course, I am an American citizen so it goes with the territory.
"Don't worry, be happy" that I was referring to was used by George H. Bush in a speech, but I am sure you knew that, but needed to misinterpret my sentence to mean something else. Perhaps, you skimmed over it and didn't quite catch it?
Are you offended when I say that I don't wish people to get close to me? I thought safe distancing was one of today's trends.

I was talking to a gentleman the other day (in his 80's) that had the virus in Feb. He said (kidding?) that they said he was so ill that they weren't going to give him any medicine. Surely he was joking, but I did not ask. He is better now. I had a family member that was 94 and was in the hospital with a recurring heart problem, along with many other illnesses. He passed away and they said it was due to the virus. Right. I know of another relative that died in the hospital that had kidney problems and was in there for dialysis. He started having problems THERE and was put on a respirator. He passed away a few days later. They said it was the virus. He was in his 60's.
I take the virus seriously because of my spouses medical issues. BUT, I will not run around shouting that the sky is falling. Sorry, but I do not care how many "know it alls" declare me "unpatriotic" or a "denier" I will do what I feel is taking the proper precautions according to what I deem to be credible facts, not gossipy speculation.
Whether or not a mask works, anything including a shirt sleeve is better than coughing into the air about you. I appreciate that. Do I always wear a mask in public. No, I don't. If I am social distanced, I do not. I enjoy fresh air and I am not going to wear that thing around me unless I believe it is prudent. Sorry, if that does not agree with your hysterical, dooms day and political interest.
Have a nice day. Don't worry, be happy. And maybe, maybe you can give others confidence that the sun will still rise again tomorrow. Sometimes it is better to tell a little white lie to someone to make them feel better than to needlessly proclaim what you believe is the "fact" or "truth" and make that person ill with grief.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Wrong, they are getting better, and you proved my statement of proclaiming how great other countries are doing and how bad you think America is doing. And a personal attack on my name? Not nice.
Yes, I am one of MANY Americans that have a very high opinion of my country. Of course, I am an American citizen so it goes with the territory.
"Don't worry, be happy" that I was referring to was used by George H. Bush in a speech, but I am sure you knew that, but needed to misinterpret my sentence to mean something else. Perhaps, you skimmed over it and didn't quite catch it?
Are you offended when I say that I don't wish people to get close to me? I thought safe distancing was one of today's trends.

I was talking to a gentleman the other day (in his 80's) that had the virus in Feb. He said (kidding?) that they said he was so ill that they weren't going to give him any medicine. Surely he was joking, but I did not ask. He is better now. I had a family member that was 94 and was in the hospital with a recurring heart problem, along with many other illnesses. He passed away and they said it was due to the virus. Right. I know of another relative that died in the hospital that had kidney problems and was in there for dialysis. He started having problems THERE and was put on a respirator. He passed away a few days later. They said it was the virus. He was in his 60's.
I take the virus seriously because of my spouses medical issues. BUT, I will not run around shouting that the sky is falling. Sorry, but I do not care how many "know it alls" declare me "unpatriotic" or a "denier" I will do what I feel is taking the proper precautions according to what I deem to be credible facts, not gossipy speculation.
Whether or not a mask works, anything including a shirt sleeve is better than coughing into the air about you. I appreciate that. Do I always wear a mask in public. No, I don't. If I am social distanced, I do not. I enjoy fresh air and I am not going to wear that thing around me unless I believe it is prudent. Sorry, if that does not agree with your hysterical, dooms day and political interest.
Have a nice day. Don't worry, be happy. And maybe, maybe you can give others confidence that the sun will still rise again tomorrow. Sometimes it is better to tell a little white lie to someone to make them feel better than to needlessly proclaim what you believe is the "fact" or "truth" and make that person ill with grief.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to argue that CV is getting better. All the LEGITIMATE Doctors and the US Army are saying that. The US Army is telling the truth. I never paid attention to speeches by any Bush, either H, or W, or HW, or Billy. Can honestly say that I have NEVER heard one of them. And I like your forum handle - it is pretty clever! Sorry about a spouse's medical problems. Hope they improve! And I can say that the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. However, in the medium future because of Global Warming, I can NOT be sure that humans will be around to view it. The large dinosaurs are all gone, except birds. Native Americans say that the coyote will be the last animal left on earth!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Fredster

What a thoughtful post. Clever! Several yellow things jumping up and down. I spent 10 minutes pondering all the ramifications and permutations of that! A life well-lived.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What a thoughtful post. Clever! Several yellow things jumping up and down. I spent 10 minutes pondering all the ramifications and permutations of that! A life well-lived.

I read quite a bit from those "yellow things." Probably a lot easier to "ponder" than worrying about non-existent things like how the world is going to end in the near future because only the coyotes will survive, or even how CV19 is going to wipe out civilization as we know it.
It must upset folks quite a bit to have someone that is positive about LIFE and our GREAT country, instead of going on a mental apology tour. Guns are going to kill everyone in America, because they are rebelling. Guns are going to get up and march down the street by themselves and wipe out humanity. Global warming is going to wipe out the polar bears (real facts rejected that premise). Certain leaders are causing safe rooms to be restocked because they [leaders] threaten socialism in America and are going to take away your health care, social security, life savings, sell our country to the Russians, eat Mexican children that come here illegally, etc.

Please folks, do not use the yellow bowing guys to show agreement. It confuses some, so just use the little clapping guy. Less confusing. I hope that everyone understands that this is all good natured and just conversation. Pardon me while I check on some good friends and see if I can assist them while they restock their "safe rooms." I may have some extra packs of toilet paper, left over from the mass panic shopping a few months ago. I have a slightly used and tear stained teddy bear for a good price. Get it now before the results come in and I am forced to raise the price.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I read quite a bit from those "yellow things." Probably a lot easier to "ponder" than worrying about non-existent things like how the world is going to end in the near future because only the coyotes will survive, or even how CV19 is going to wipe out civilization as we know it.
It must upset folks quite a bit to have someone that is positive about LIFE and our GREAT country, instead of going on a mental apology tour. Guns are going to kill everyone in America, because they are rebelling. Guns are going to get up and march down the street by themselves and wipe out humanity. Global warming is going to wipe out the polar bears (real facts rejected that premise). Certain leaders are causing safe rooms to be restocked because they [leaders] threaten socialism in America and are going to take away your health care, social security, life savings, sell our country to the Russians, eat Mexican children that come here illegally, etc.

Please folks, do not use the yellow bowing guys to show agreement. It confuses some, so just use the little clapping guy. Less confusing. I hope that everyone understands that this is all good natured and just conversation. Pardon me while I check on some good friends and see if I can assist them while they restock their "safe rooms." I may have some extra packs of toilet paper, left over from the mass panic shopping a few months ago. I have a slightly used and tear stained teddy bear for a good price. Get it now before the results come in and I am forced to raise the price.

Guns, guns, guns - so much talk about guns. And safe rooms? Who is the paranoid one now? And YES the Polar bear IS an endangered species. And YES, many species ARE going extinct at an exponential rate in recent years. That Teddy Bear of yours may go extinct from the fountain of tears that its owner is going to be crying after Truth Tuesday (TT). Good luck with your PETD.......Post Election Traumatic Disorder .......stay away from those guns for a few weeks.

That WAS a little harsh by me. How about...Good luck on Tuesday, may the best Candidate born in Pa. win!

[Going My Way]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

guns, guns, guns - so much talk about guns

. . . .I love - guns, guns, guns! . . . .

[Malsua]

I just people would stop using New Zealand and Taiwan as an example.

The population of New Zealand is HALF the size of the NYC Metro area or a handful of counties in Florida. It is sparsely populated and completely surrounded by water.

Taiwan is in a similar position except they went through SARS1 and had a plan in place.

It is very easy to control immigration when you are 100% surrounded by water.

Anyone reading this should go look at infection rate by region by date. Some things will pop out to you. The infection hits a region that is tightly integrated. NYC Metro includes NJ, Southern NY and Connecticut is a prime example. This area was hit hard in March and April and somewhat into May and then it dropped very low. The next regions to be hit were the south, including Florida, Texas, and other southern areas in June and July. Guess which areas are spiking now? The areas that did not have any real level of infection until now. The midwest, upper midwest etc.

The pattern repeats over and over, EVERY single country. The areas of Spain that were hit hard in the spring? Hardly anything now. But, but Spain is spiking!!! Yup. Everywhere it wasn't spiking in the spring. If your area did not go through a big spike? It's going to. I hate to break it to NZ, but until there is a vaccine, they can't open the door or it will get in.

Masks do help to lower your intial dose(Inoculum) but you will ultimately get exposed unless you are locked in a bubble. Lower inoculum, better disease outcome. There are therapies. The Eastern Virginia Medical School has a covid procotol. Go google that. Vitamin D has shown efficacy and there's no downside to a supplement in reasonable dosing. A clinical trial on calcifediol(metabolised D) has shown efficacy and there is a the Vitamin D, randomized double blind placebo controlled study VIVID underway.(Vitamin D and COVID-19 Trial - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov)

Quercetin and zinc are likely to help as prophylaxis and again, no downside if taken within reason. Why aren't we being told to take some D at least? "Go home, come back if you get worse" is terrible advice. Ivermectin is showing amazing promise in Australia. Hear about it here? No? Why not? Oh, right, it's not $3000 a dose like Remdesivir.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Going My Way

. . . .I love - guns, guns, guns! . . . .

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