[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I think Cambodia, Russia (USSR), Pre WW II Germany, China were/are trying to control their people where the US is trying to protect their people.

And how can you tell that? That is probably what THEY thought at the time!

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by billethkid

what I fail to understand is those who are in favor of gun control, against guns, don't have a gun, could care less if they ever see a gun or what ever other group I may have missed.......
why is the fact that we have a more degraded morality than most of us grew up with, we have a lack of respect for the law than most of us grew up with, violence, murder, mayhem and mass killing are promoted in today's entertainment i.e. the movies, television, games, etc, there is a significant lack of discipline in our society and a fear of doing so than any of us grew up with,.......and yet there is little or no discussion of how all the new permissiveness contributes to and promotes a tolerance for violence.

I personally believe it is because when one is against guns for example it is usually about the OTHER GUY and not ones self. In looking at making changes to the permissiveness that condones violence the same folks are involved. And would be affected, therefore there is little or no discussion or demand for change.

My usual example Mothers Against Drunk Drivers.....they have little or nothing to lose or not personally involved with drinking and we all understand the positive impact.

Where are the Mothers Against Driving WHile Using a Cell phone???? Far too many deaths caused by this activity....some would say as much or more than drinking. Why no groundswell to be against such a potentially killing activity? Because now these same mothers are personally involved and are themselves major users of cell phones while driving....hence they are silent on the issue. Very hypocritical behavior.

Bring on what ever makes everybody happy with controls they have no understanding of....there will be no decrease in gun ownership....there will be no change in the violence permissive society.....it will not eliminate the small percentage of wackos (for what ever reason or ills) from accomplishing their need to kill or mass murder.

btk

Well thought out and said and

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I hear what you and some others are saying and it is pretty accurate. I would like to hear what positive solutions you might have to the "lack of respect" to which you attribute most of the woes. How would you enact any changes?

I am not being argumentive but truly would like to hear ideas which would work in a realistic world.

Errr, we'll work on this one buggyone, AFTER we work out our unrealistic economy!

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

And how can you tell that? That is probably what THEY thought at the time!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golfingnut
I think Cambodia, Russia (USSR), Pre WW II Germany, China were/are trying to control their people where the US is trying to protect their people.

Please notice, I said I THINK. It is in my opinion, that the places mentioned do not enjoy the democratic style government that we have in the United States.

[DaleMN]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The point is that these violent gun-related deaths are the fault of everything except guns. For example; single parents, drug overdoses, texting while driving, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the imminent financial collapse, talking on cell phones while driving, type of society we have allowed to be fostered, and too many other excuses to remember.

And of course the answer to elimating these violent gun-related deaths is more and bigger and faster guns with no regulations.

That's like saying we should solve the drinking problem by providing more booze with less restrictions, or allow more texting while driving, or allow more cell phone usage while driving. Or it's like discussing lung cancer without being allowed to talk about cigarettes.

I could not agree with you more. As I have said before the logic of the NRA and others is mind boggling.

[graciegirl]

I don't think I like the NRA. I am not sure why. I have only recently met people here on TOTV who are almost evangelistically into having guns. I am a conservative person in philosophy and I support everyone's second amendment rights, but when I read people posting about guns and my heart hears other stuff in their posts like meanness and hatred and disdain and arrogance, I just don't like it and don't really like them. AND I don't like the meanness and arrogance in some opposed to them too. That is where all of our troubles lie. Getting mad.

There are many who post here who have guns who are regular nice people but many who are not really nice inside. I sense it in some posts and sometimes feel that some people are really frightened and very not secure without a gun.

There are many areas of the country that need guns to feel safe, but I do not believe that this place is one of them.

But if that changes, so will I.

I try very hard to truly understand everyone's point of view, but I am struggling on this one.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't think I like the NRA. I am not sure why. I have only recently met people here on TOTV who are almost evangelistically into having guns. I am a conservative person in philosophy and I support everyone's second amendment rights, but when I read people posting about guns and my heart hears other stuff in their posts like meanness and hatred and disdain and arrogance, I just don't like it and don't really like them. AND I don't like the meanness and arrogance in some opposed to them too. That is where all of our troubles lie. Getting mad.

There are many who post here who have guns who are regular nice people but many who are not really nice inside. I sense it in some posts and sometimes feel that some people are really frightened and very not secure without a gun.

There are many areas of the country that need guns to feel safe, but I do not believe that this place is one of them.

But if that changes, so will I.

I try very hard to truly understand everyone's point of view, but I am struggling on this one.

I have tried over the last 5 or 6 posts to say what you said so elegantly here in this post. I too get the hair on my neck up too easy and I am working hard on that. I will only say about this whole issue is we MUST try to do better to protect all of our citizens. I just cannot except that more or bigger weapons is the only answer.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Errr, we'll work on this one buggyone, AFTER we work out our unrealistic economy!

The economy of the country is a political and governmental issue which must be dealt with by the Legislative and Executive branches.

The "lack of respect" that was mentioned by some posters is not a governmental issue but is a social issue. It is not something that can be legislated into being. My question was asking precisely how these posters would institute changes (and precisely what the changes would be) that would result in a turning point to bring about "more respect" that may result in a climate where mass shootings would not happen.

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