[rubicon]

Why are blacks the only ones with Sharptonites assuming one man leadership speaking on behalf for the entire black community instigating and agitating for protests which end up as riots?

Oops Muslim inmans speak for muslims and come to think of it also riot if the Koran is dropped on the floor or offended by a cartoon

Miscarriage of justice occurs but the majority of Americans abide by rule of law.

The experts can dissect the reasons til the cow come home but it won't and can't legitimize such conduct.

I never thought I would disagree with Mona Charen but her column today suggesting that military equipment not be given to police in my mind is wrong.

America is less safe now than ever and the threat of home grown terrorist a reality. Additionally people as a whole in the USA are less inclined to act responsibly and are more in your face confrontations with LOE.

Federal government is jumping on the band wagon to reexamine sale of military equipment to police their training etc. Think of the hypocrisy. We arm or leave military equipment all around the world that ends up in terrorist hands and our government is focused on Ferguson.

This continuation of de-militarizing our military and damaging the motivation of those oath keepers police military who protect us domestically and foreign countries and our over reaction to NSA spying is leaving us vulnerable to our enemies. Too many people working in government do not understand the world in which we live

gimme a break

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Why are blacks the only ones with Sharptonites assuming one man leadership speaking on behalf for the entire black community instigating and agitating for protests which end up as riots?

Oops Muslim inmans speak for muslims and come to think of it also riot if the Koran is dropped on the floor or offended by a cartoon

Miscarriage of justice occurs but the majority of Americans abide by rule of law.

The experts can dissect the reasons til the cow come home but it won't and can't legitimize such conduct.

I never thought I would disagree with Mona Charen but her column today suggesting that military equipment not be given to police in my mind is wrong.

America is less safe now than ever and the threat of home grown terrorist a reality. Additionally people as a whole in the USA are less inclined to act responsibly and are more in your face confrontations with LOE.

Federal government is jumping on the band wagon to reexamine sale of military equipment to police their training etc. Think of the hypocrisy. We arm or leave military equipment all around the world that ends up in terrorist hands and our government is focused on Ferguson.

This continuation of de-militarizing our military and damaging the motivation of those oath keepers police military who protect us domestically and foreign countries and our over reaction to NSA spying is leaving us vulnerable to our enemies. Too many people working in government do not understand the world in which we live

gimme a break

The folks who last evening were on here sympathizing with the deaths of kin of terrorists, who are in the eye of violence because of what their leaders do and profess, and blatantly calling a police officer a killer, ignoring all information except what they, for some reason, want to accept, ignoring also that the young man who died put himself in danger by refusing to heed warnings, and violating the law....

In the wake of anything terrible happening to this country by the hand of terrorists or criminals....those posters will be on here screaming about how the police, etc should have known and should have acted.

We are a country of laws, except in certain cases like our borders, and that fact is what separates us from the pack.

Those who enjoy "stirring the pot" or "flaming" need to understand if that is your "thing" do it on some other subject, unless you truely sympathize with terrorism and not abiding by the law, then I suppose you are being true to yourself.

[snowbird22154]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

How can you possibly say that without actually KNOWING THE FACTS of what happened? I just don't get it.

I agree with you 110% as no one WAITS till all the "facts" are in but instead condemns a man and burns a town down "just because"

There's too many, far too many the make their own judgments BEFORE knowing what the true facts are !!

[snowbird22154]

Originally Posted by mflasch

Let's just reiterate one more time the fundamental problem with this incident and the majority of like incidents. If the "victim" simply complied with the police officer's request, there would have been no incident. Why. oh why, is that so hard for people to understand. Had this "gentle giant" simply got out of the street and walked on the sidewalk like normal people do, things would have ended there.
And I am tired of him being referred to as a "child." This was a 6'4', 290 lb man who obviously had no regard for the law.

-------- My sentiments EXACTLY! ----------

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Is this one of Michael Brown, just prior to being killed?

Originally Posted by mflasch

Really???? We must have gotten different information. Didn't this guy go after the cop while the cop was still in his car? Didn't this guy "bullrush" the cop when the cop told him to freeze? What would you do after you have been hit in the face and then this 6'4", 290 lb giant comes running at you intent to do more physical harm.
I sound like a busted record, but, again, if both of these idiots would have just complied with the cops instructions, they would be alive today.

Does this photo, reportedly of Michael Brown, really look like a 6'4" 290 lb giant? If so, the man next to him must be nine feet tall.

If that is Brown in the photo, he looks like he is about 5'5". It will be interesting to hear the height and weight of the Ferguson cop.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Does this photo, reportedly of Michael Brown, really look like a 6'4" 290 lb giant? If so, the man next to him must be nine feet tall.

If that is Brown in the photo, he looks like he is about 5'5". It will be interesting to hear the height and weight of the Ferguson cop.

Not sure who you are looking at.
Brown is the guy in the middle.
The one threatening the store clerk.

[manaboutown]

Wikipedia reports Michael Brown as 6' 4" tall and 292 pounds. He is the very large individual in the above photo roughing up the convenience store clerk during a strong arm robbery. Nice guy, no???

Officer Wilson looks much smaller than Brown from the photos I have seen of him, but not as small as the clerk Brown had roughed up. Although all of the evidence is not yet in it seems that at this point Brown attacked Wilson and severely beat him, hitting him in the eye hard enough to fracture his optical orbital bone (not sure of nomenclature) prior to Wilson shooting him.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Wikipedia reports Brown as 6' 4" tall and 292 pounds. He is the very large individual in the above photo roughing up the convenience store clerk during a strong arm robbery. Nice guy, no???

Officer Wilson looks much smaller than Brown from the photos I have seen of him, but not as small as the clerk Brown had roughed up. Although all of the evidence is not yet in it seems that at this point Brown attacked Wilson and beat him, hitting him in the eye hard enough to fracture his optical orbital bone (not sure of nomenclature) prior to Wilson shooting him.

Sorry, I thought Brown was the little guy. Regardless of size, there is still no reason to shoot to kill. If Wilson was a good shot, he could have shot to injure.

I agree, we must wait until the St Louis grand jury hears all the evidence and makes a decision on whether to charge the cop with homicide.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Sorry, I thought Brown was the little guy. Regardless of size, there is still no reason to shoot to kill. If Wilson was a good shot, he could have shot to injure.

I agree, we must wait until the St Louis grand jury hears all the evidence and makes a decision on whether to charge the cop with homicide.

As I understand it a police officer in Missouri has the right to use lethal force when in danger of serious bodily injury or death. Essentially he or she has the right of self defense. It seems to me that if Officer Wilson was under attack by Brown, especially having already been severely being beaten by Brown, Officer Wilson needed to shoot to kill to keep himself from being further grievously injured or even beaten to death.

After receiving such a terrible eye injury at Brown's hands I am relieved that Officer Wilson could see well enough and function sufficiently to successfully shoot Brown at all.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Sorry, I thought Brown was the little guy. Regardless of size, there is still no reason to shoot to kill. If Wilson was a good shot, he could have shot to injure.

I agree, we must wait until the St Louis grand jury hears all the evidence and makes a decision on whether to charge the cop with homicide.

Uh, when some one say the cop should "shoot to injure" it is clear they do not know what they are talking about nor how the police departments operate in the real world.

I certainly agree we need to wait before charging the cop (or not charging etc). Too bad the Missouri Governor doesn't seem to agree with this.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by buggyone

... If a cop says to move out of the street, do it. If the person does not move, gives attitude, is it proper to try and slap on cuffs? No. It is no big deal. The cop should have let it go. The cop just wanted to show he was as tough. ...

I suggest we each put ourselves in the cop's shoes momentarily, and given that we see a guy 6'4" 290lbs who turned around and charged at us head down, I wonder how many would then shoot (to kill) vs "just letting it go?"

Talk about a thankless, no-win job with a never ending supply of Monday morning quarterbacking ...

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I suggest we each put ourselves in the cop's shoes momentarily, and given that we see a guy 6'4" 290lbs who turned around and charged at us head down, I wonder how many would then shoot (to kill) vs "just letting it go?"

Talk about a thankless, no-win job with a never ending supply of Monday morning quarterbacking ...

...and we know for a fact that policeman Wilson was charged head down by Brown? It has been made pretty clear that the policeman did not have the broken eye socket as earlier stated.

Anyhow, it is a done deed.

Guilty of a crime or bravely doing his duty - I cannot say with certainty. Unfortunately, policeman Wilson's life changed forever with that shot. There is no going back. I feel bad for him as I do for Brown's parents.

[Kahuna32162]

Why is this thread even allowed here? The OP suggested that a shoot to kill environment is the answer to the issue.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Kahuna32162

Why is this thread even allowed here? The OP suggested that a shoot to kill environment is the answer to the issue.

The OP was reminiscing about an incident that happened almost 60 years ago, IMO. Perhaps times and tactics have changed since then.

If Officer Wilson is charged with homicide, his union will make sure that he is well represented, and the police department will probably pay his legal fees.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The OP was reminiscing about an incident that happened almost 60 years ago, IMO. Perhaps times and tactics have changed since then.

If Officer Wilson is charged with homicide, his union will make sure that he is well represented, and the police department will probably pay his legal fees.

And he will never be safe again.