[Patty55]

Originally Posted by blueash

You do not understand white privilege. It says absolutely nothing about white people being bad or reparations. It says nothing about ethics or civilization or the attorney general (did you know he is a Black man?) White privilege is the fact that if you are white our culture our cops our schools our juries in an unconscious manner give you an advantage which you would not be given if you were black. It means that if identical papers are given to a teacher to be graded and one is written by Susan and one by Shenequa that the paper by Susan which is no different at all, is likely to get a higher grade. Similarly studies of job applications have shown that resumes which have minority names result in fewer interviews
Employers' Replies to Racial Names
If you don't think driving while black is a real thing, The Statistical Analysis
or shopping while black see none other than Cond. Rice complain about it
A reader's guide to Condoleezza Rice: An American Life.

White privilege is real and gives a real advantage. Tall people are socially advantaged, attractive people are socially advantaged, non-obese people are socially advantaged. It has nothing to do with guilt or Jesse Jackson. It has to do with how every day being black makes life a little harder and why maybe after generations of that kind of engrained cultural bias might just make a black person more likely to get upset at the next traffic stop, or cop encounter, or salesperson following her around in a store. It does, if you're able to look at why, help to explain why when pushed hard enough black communities may push back. No I don't believe rioting is the answer and you should understand that such activity was by a tiny fraction of those involved in the Ferguson protests, and it was vigorously criticized by Sharpton

The civil rights activist, speaking at a rally Sunday afternoon in Ferguson, Mo., also urged people who are protesting the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown to remain peaceful in their actions.

“Some are angry and out of control. And others are taking advantage of it. And don’t take advantage of their child,” said Sharpton, referring to Brown’s parents. Don’t loot in Michael’s name,” he added. “We are not looters, we’re liberators. We are not burners. We are builders.”

And Jesse Jackson:
Jackson urged the crowd to continue protesting but to avoid violence."You can reshape an iron while it's hot, but don't destroy yourself in the process. Don't self-destruct," Jackson said.

But go ahead everyone, just hate on Sharpton and Jackson as agitators and ignore what they actually say. They lead the peaceful protestors including plenty of middle class looking (I know stereotype) and white protestors.

Clergy and activists help Ferguson protests remain calm

What I don't get is why name your child Shenequa, do these people really think that will be an asset?

Yes, I think it's about CLASS, not race, not money. I think it's about wanting more for your children than yourself.

As for the Sharpton group, google Crown Heights, Howard Beach and of course the infamous Tawanna Brawley and try to deny he's agitator.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by blueash

You do not understand white privilege. It says absolutely nothing about white people being bad or reparations. It says nothing about ethics or civilization or the attorney general (did you know he is a Black man?) White privilege is the fact that if you are white our culture our cops our schools our juries in an unconscious manner give you an advantage which you would not be given if you were black. It means that if identical papers are given to a teacher to be graded and one is written by Susan and one by Shenequa that the paper by Susan which is no different at all, is likely to get a higher grade. Similarly studies of job applications have shown that resumes which have minority names result in fewer interviews
Employers' Replies to Racial Names
If you don't think driving while black is a real thing, The Statistical Analysis
or shopping while black see none other than Cond. Rice complain about it
A reader's guide to Condoleezza Rice: An American Life.

White privilege is real and gives a real advantage. Tall people are socially advantaged, attractive people are socially advantaged, non-obese people are socially advantaged. It has nothing to do with guilt or Jesse Jackson. It has to do with how every day being black makes life a little harder and why maybe after generations of that kind of engrained cultural bias might just make a black person more likely to get upset at the next traffic stop, or cop encounter, or salesperson following her around in a store. It does, if you're able to look at why, help to explain why when pushed hard enough black communities may push back. No I don't believe rioting is the answer and you should understand that such activity was by a tiny fraction of those involved in the Ferguson protests, and it was vigorously criticized by Sharpton

The civil rights activist, speaking at a rally Sunday afternoon in Ferguson, Mo., also urged people who are protesting the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown to remain peaceful in their actions.

“Some are angry and out of control. And others are taking advantage of it. And don’t take advantage of their child,” said Sharpton, referring to Brown’s parents. Don’t loot in Michael’s name,” he added. “We are not looters, we’re liberators. We are not burners. We are builders.”

And Jesse Jackson:
Jackson urged the crowd to continue protesting but to avoid violence."You can reshape an iron while it's hot, but don't destroy yourself in the process. Don't self-destruct," Jackson said.

But go ahead everyone, just hate on Sharpton and Jackson as agitators and ignore what they actually say. They lead the peaceful protestors including plenty of middle class looking (I know stereotype) and white protestors.

Clergy and activists help Ferguson protests remain calm

Actually, I undertand the concept quite well that's emerged in academia over the years, and why it emerged. More importantly I understand the progessive ideology from which it truly stems. I already gave a succint summary of the practical definition so won't repeat it here.

As far as Jackson and Sharpton go, I look at their actions not just their words. Talk is cheap ... actions and results are what matter. They have perfected the art of race hustling ... I will give them credit for that. The race hustlers make it worse. What they really do is exploit the underclass who are essentially ignorant of why they are in the condition they are. Ben Carson, by contrast, worked his way up from nothing. He deserves our respect. Do you agree with that?

It's also inapprorpate for someone when discussing this to simply bring out the rehtroical device of saying 'just go on hating" etc because that's used to silence the oppositoin. I don't think that's going to work anymore.

I also asked you a question about what you would do to deal with a mob.
..." if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets. What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?"

Please respond.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Rags123

When I see a mention of Fox news in a post, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. I never see anyone alluding to the unbelievable news coverage on MSNBC, but the minute I see the Fox comments, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. This from someone who watches neither but understands the brainwashing aspect.

Did a little TOTV search to see if anyone ever alludes to MSNBC in a negative way. And got 300 hits since July 2010 including this one posted by you.

Darren Wilson Eye Fracture

"I have been watching both CNN and MSNBC for a bit today. I kept count, and between those two channels, I have heard the event in question called an execution 17 times by either a host or guest (yes I counted them). I have never heard any of the host or guests suggest that there may have been cause for this shooting. "

Nonetheless, you are correct, when you see Fox News mentioned in a post you do know something about the world view of the poster. So we agree!

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by blueash

Nonetheless, you are correct, when you see Fox News mentioned in a post you do know something about the world view of the poster. So we agree!

Both sides are presented in this video of Rev. Jesse Jackson and Dr. Ben Carson yesterday, presenting their insights and solutions to the problem.

Anybody who refuses to watch or discards the clear messages in this video, because of the network airing it, is just plain bigoted in my estimation.

Inside mistrust between black communities and the police | On Air Videos | Fox News

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by blueash

Did a little TOTV search to see if anyone ever alludes to MSNBC in a negative way. And got 300 hits since July 2010 including this one posted by you.

Darren Wilson Eye Fracture

"I have been watching both CNN and MSNBC for a bit today. I kept count, and between those two channels, I have heard the event in question called an execution 17 times by either a host or guest (yes I counted them). I have never heard any of the host or guests suggest that there may have been cause for this shooting. "

Nonetheless, you are correct, when you see Fox News mentioned in a post you do know something about the world view of the poster. So we agree!

Many may have missed the fact that FoxNews reported this as an unsubstantiated rumor. CNN and MSNBC both reported it as fact.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I also asked you a question about what you would do to deal with a mob.
..." if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets. What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?"

Please respond.

Well, for starters I do have admiration for Dr. Carson. He is an excellent example of someone who has used his brain helped by affirmative action programs to succeed. He was an excellent surgeon. I agree with some of his positions for instance that we should continue affirmative action, get guns out of urban areas, and disagree with him on other issues. My response to what to do in a riot is that I don't know. But my life's work being looted does not justify killing a looter We don't have capital punishment for looting. We don't have capital punishment for breaking windows or stealing clothing. A store window can be replaced, stolen TV's can be replaced. A life cannot be, even a life of someone who made a very wrong decision. So I want the police and the Nat Guard to protect life not stuff. There are as I understand it rules for the use of deadly force and that does not include defending the merchandise in a mini-mart. So which of these people, or perhaps all of them, would you like to have killed now?

And we are nicely back to the original issue of this thread, just shoot the looters to solve the problem.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Many may have missed the fact that FoxNews reported this as an unsubstantiated rumor. CNN and MSNBC both reported it as fact.

Thanks for pointing that out.

It is difficult to have any discussion with anyone who worships one network, one newspaper, one p.....cal philosophy, etc. they are devoid of all the facts, but do not even know it. The poster found a post by me that mentions MSNBC as being among the networks reporting, and if in caps, it was because that night there was an obvious attempt to incite everyone against all police...and it was not just MSNBC that day.

All networks made gaffes on this story...some corrected theirs, some attacked the other network for theirs, and what it has to do with ANYTHING is beyond me, which is why I mentioned the poster alluding to FOX. Experience has taught that when you attack a network, avoid the issue, then you are bowing to another network.

The inaccurate reporting on all networks, to me is a national crime. I choose not to follow the rantings of those who are closed minded, and that applies to all sides. When I post on here, I post links and quotes, and never do they offer any of those mentioned networks as references, either to support, or as could be the case many times, report the errors, omissions and downright lies.

The shame is that people decide things in their mind based on one network or another.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

You do not understand white privilege. It says absolutely nothing about white people being bad or reparations. It says nothing about ethics or civilization or the attorney general (did you know he is a Black man?) White privilege is the fact that if you are white our culture our cops our schools our juries in an unconscious manner give you an advantage which you would not be given if you were black. It means that if identical papers are given to a teacher to be graded and one is written by Susan and one by Shenequa that the paper by Susan which is no different at all, is likely to get a higher grade. Similarly studies of job applications have shown that resumes which have minority names result in fewer interviews
Employers' Replies to Racial Names
If you don't think driving while black is a real thing, The Statistical Analysis
or shopping while black see none other than Cond. Rice complain about it
A reader's guide to Condoleezza Rice: An American Life.

White privilege is real and gives a real advantage. Tall people are socially advantaged, attractive people are socially advantaged, non-obese people are socially advantaged. It has nothing to do with guilt or Jesse Jackson. It has to do with how every day being black makes life a little harder and why maybe after generations of that kind of engrained cultural bias might just make a black person more likely to get upset at the next traffic stop, or cop encounter, or salesperson following her around in a store. It does, if you're able to look at why, help to explain why when pushed hard enough black communities may push back. No I don't believe rioting is the answer and you should understand that such activity was by a tiny fraction of those involved in the Ferguson protests, and it was vigorously criticized by Sharpton

The civil rights activist, speaking at a rally Sunday afternoon in Ferguson, Mo., also urged people who are protesting the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown to remain peaceful in their actions.

“Some are angry and out of control. And others are taking advantage of it. And don’t take advantage of their child,” said Sharpton, referring to Brown’s parents. Don’t loot in Michael’s name,” he added. “We are not looters, we’re liberators. We are not burners. We are builders.”

And Jesse Jackson:
Jackson urged the crowd to continue protesting but to avoid violence."You can reshape an iron while it's hot, but don't destroy yourself in the process. Don't self-destruct," Jackson said.

But go ahead everyone, just hate on Sharpton and Jackson as agitators and ignore what they actually say. They lead the peaceful protestors including plenty of middle class looking (I know stereotype) and white protestors.

Clergy and activists help Ferguson protests remain calm

Only thing I will add is that...yes, there is racism.

BUT it is not always present, and should not be our very first conclusion, which in most of these riots, violence, etc has been.

You make a lot of negative judgements about a lot of people, and you credit certain individuals with things.

I suggest I can offer up so much to dispute you admiration of these so called "leaders" that you quote. I suggest that you read up on all of them to just simply be aware of their history and motivation. READ both sides, and no listening...READ, double check. I will simply say that those you mention will not come even remotely close to the pedestal you put them on. The family of Martin Luther King would disagree with you. Their are TRUE civil rights leaders who get drowned out by these folks, but based on what I have read...your mind is made up...you feel you have found the "truth"

I will agree there is racism if that makes you feel better. I, however, will read all sides on any issue and treat it IN CONTEXT and based on facts.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Many may have missed the fact that FoxNews reported this as an unsubstantiated rumor. CNN and MSNBC both reported it as fact.

Fox News report regarding allegation of orbital fracture:

Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source | Fox News

"Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said"

and from MSNBC

Two key details about Michael Brown's death are still unknown | MSNBC
"NBC News has confirmed that Wilson was treated at an area hospital after the altercation, but it is unclear how serious his injury or injuries were,"

and CNN
Source: Darren Wilson did not have a fractured eye socket - CNN.com Video

"A source tells CNN that officer Darren Wilson had a swollen face but did not have a fractured eye socket."

So your post that Fox called it a rumor while CNN and MSNBC ran with it as a fact does not seem to be entirely accurate. I will allow for the possibility that there were earlier reports than the ones I cite which may have differed.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

Fox News report regarding allegation of orbital fracture:

Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source | Fox News

"Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said"

and from MSNBC

Two key details about Michael Brown's death are still unknown | MSNBC
"NBC News has confirmed that Wilson was treated at an area hospital after the altercation, but it is unclear how serious his injury or injuries were,"

and CNN
Source: Darren Wilson did not have a fractured eye socket - CNN.com Video

"A source tells CNN that officer Darren Wilson had a swollen face but did not have a fractured eye socket."

So your post that Fox called it a rumor while CNN and MSNBC ran with it as a fact does not seem to be entirely accurate. I will allow for the possibility that there were earlier reports than the ones I cite which may have differed.

Please explain what difference it makes what network is right, part right or all wrong ? What does it have to do with the issue ?

Again, your mention of FOX at the outset is what started this entire network thing. If you are getting all your "news" and information from a singular source or sources that are or have the mindset to go after another network, then, in my opinion, your voice should be stilled as you are totally uniformed.
That opinion would apply if you critiqued MSNBC as well.

IF nobody can see the inaccuracies and bias of all these networks, we are in big trouble. PLEASE, read and verify what you read or hear. Takes time but in todays world where everyone has a bias so far from center it is necessary.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Actually, I undertand the concept quite well that's emerged in academia over the years, and why it emerged. More importantly I understand the progessive ideology from which it truly stems. I already gave a succint summary of the practical definition so won't repeat it here.

As far as Jackson and Sharpton go, I look at their actions not just their words. Talk is cheap ... actions and results are what matter. They have perfected the art of race hustling ... I will give them credit for that. The race hustlers make it worse. What they really do is exploit the underclass who are essentially ignorant of why they are in the condition they are. Ben Carson, by contrast, worked his way up from nothing. He deserves our respect. Do you agree with that?

It's also inapprorpate for someone when discussing this to simply bring out the rehtroical device of saying 'just go on hating" etc because that's used to silence the oppositoin. I don't think that's going to work anymore.

I also asked you a question about what you would do to deal with a mob.
..." if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets. What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?"

Please respond.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by blueash

Tall people are socially advantaged, attractive people are socially advantaged, non-obese people are socially advantaged.

Wow, am I ever advantaged!

[Chi-Town]

Another network weighs in..........MTV

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/vi...CtRWxWYg.email

[sunnyatlast]

Regarding this in a prior post making broad accusations:

"What happened recently when a very wealthy black woman, well dressed, went into a store and asked to see a very expensive purse? Was she well treated because no one saw her race, just that she shared those Judeo Christian and Protestant values? Ask Oprah."

1. This incident and the pursuant accusations of 'racial profiling' happened in Switzerland, NOT in white society in St. Louis or Central FL or the USA.

2. Oprah recanted and said it was blown out of proportion and labeled onto much too wide a segment of society--in Switzerland and it was an isolated incident in Switzerland, and that all of that nation should not be vilified, either!

Oprah Winfrey apologizes for naming Switzerland in store racism incident: I

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Well, for starters I do have admiration for Dr. Carson. He is an excellent example of someone who has used his brain helped by affirmative action programs to succeed. He was an excellent surgeon. I agree with some of his positions for instance that we should continue affirmative action, get guns out of urban areas, and disagree with him on other issues. My response to what to do in a riot is that I don't know. But my life's work being looted does not justify killing a looter We don't have capital punishment for looting. We don't have capital punishment for breaking windows or stealing clothing. A store window can be replaced, stolen TV's can be replaced. A life cannot be, even a life of someone who made a very wrong decision. So I want the police and the Nat Guard to protect life not stuff. There are as I understand it rules for the use of deadly force and that does not include defending the merchandise in a mini-mart. So which of these people, or perhaps all of them, would you like to have killed now?

And we are nicely back to the original issue of this thread, just shoot the looters to solve the problem.

NO needs to mean NO... And in my opinion stuff is not ever valued as much as a human life, but stuff can be a persons livelihood and it is important in that respect. Why does one side have to respect the other and not vice versa which is how this looks to me.

I do not believe for one second that this man was killed over stuff or over race. I think he attacked that police officer. BUT I could be wrong.

I could be wrong. We will wait and see.