[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by blueash

You imply that some black person, or "they" as billethkid, karostay, bay kid, and others call them, will exact some revenge for Brown's death. Perhaps you will present us with one or several cases where the "theys" of our nation have perpetrated a murder of white policeman who had been either cleared or never charged. On the other hand of course there are hundreds or thousands of 20th century deaths of minorities by white mobs, or the KKK without trial to avenge such offenses as talking to a white woman. Those who are born with the benefit of white skin cannot begin to understand how "they" are still routinely treated differently by police than you would be. Driving while black, walking while black, shopping while black..... If there is less respect for cops, that lack of respect may have a big basis in life experience. That the OP suggests the way to take care of riots is to just shoot people sounds like a solution that the worst totalitarian governments would certainly endorse. I am not able to verify his memory of any such shoot to kill order in any online source
Flood Ravages Whole State Causing Many Deaths, Millions In Damage - Courant.com

Frankly the anti-minority postings of way too many on this forum is sickening.. play classical music, hand out job applications, take away their free stuff, undocumented shoppers, posting random photos of black people with guns as they fit your stereotype, shameful, and the reason why black Americans don't trust old white guys to be fair to them. Maybe the next generation will have less bigotry, prejudice, and animus.

You know what, let's all be totally honest for a change. What's truly sickening to me is people is who refuse to state the obvious for fear of social condemnation. To wit, it's generally not a race issue but a CLASS issue. No one cares anymore about a person's race if they are middle class in culture and share a common value set.

On the other hand, all one has to do is look at the TV footage on any network and see the rioters in action, and the underclass they come from. No one with any brains or sense of civilized order likes it. These individuals have violated the law, and in some cases used firearms. It needs to be quelled not understood.

in addition, after a half century of social engineering, it's obvious the situation has gotten worse not better for the urban underclass. I challenge anyone to deny that.

The solution is obvious ... have a Mommy and Daddy raise a family, teach the children mainstream religious values (Judeo-Christian), be sure to include the Protestant work ethic and the resultant society usually works pretty well. That's why all the illegals of the world are trying to sneak into America -- it works!

Try to douse the guilt and white privilege ideology, and just look at the world realistically and help fix it.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

you imply that some black person, or "they" as billethkid, karostay, bay kid, and others call them, will exact some revenge for brown's death. Perhaps you will present us with one or several cases where the "theys" of our nation have perpetrated a murder of white policeman who had been either cleared or never charged. On the other hand of course there are hundreds or thousands of 20th century deaths of minorities by white mobs, or the kkk without trial to avenge such offenses as talking to a white woman. Those who are born with the benefit of white skin cannot begin to understand how "they" are still routinely treated differently by police than you would be. Driving while black, walking while black, shopping while black..... If there is less respect for cops, that lack of respect may have a big basis in life experience. That the op suggests the way to take care of riots is to just shoot people sounds like a solution that the worst totalitarian governments would certainly endorse. I am not able to verify his memory of any such shoot to kill order in any online source
flood ravages whole state causing many deaths, millions in damage - courant.com

frankly the anti-minority postings of way too many on this forum is sickening.. Play classical music, hand out job applications, take away their free stuff, undocumented shoppers, posting random photos of black people with guns as they fit your stereotype, shameful, and the reason why black americans don't trust old white guys to be fair to them. Maybe the next generation will have less bigotry, prejudice, and animus.

no looting and rioting with weapons. =. No thread

[graciegirl]

Quote, taken from entire post of Blueash;
Frankly the anti-minority postings of way too many on this forum is sickening.. play classical music, hand out job applications, take away their free stuff, undocumented shoppers, posting random photos of black people with guns as they fit your stereotype, shameful, and the reason why black Americans don't trust old white guys to be fair to them. Maybe the next generation will have less bigotry, prejudice, and animus.[/QUOTE]


Many old white people have lived a long time and have seen a lot. Many old black people have lived a long time and have seen a lot.

I have friends who are from India who have very dark skins. I have friends who are black with very dark skin.I have friends who are Chinese, and Mexican and Canadian. I don't think skin color has much to do with how most people decide who to enjoy being with or who to admire or disdain.

Look at the groundswell of love and admiration for the little girl pitcher from Philadelphia.

What people HATE is the do-less attitude of others; black, white, red, pink, yellow or green. People admire people who take care of themselves and their own.

[Moderator]

Please stay on topic and do not address comments to or at other members.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

You imply that some black person, or "they" as billethkid, karostay, bay kid, and others call them, will exact some revenge for Brown's death. Perhaps you will present us with one or several cases where the "theys" of our nation have perpetrated a murder of white policeman who had been either cleared or never charged. On the other hand of course there are hundreds or thousands of 20th century deaths of minorities by white mobs, or the KKK without trial to avenge such offenses as talking to a white woman. Those who are born with the benefit of white skin cannot begin to understand how "they" are still routinely treated differently by police than you would be. Driving while black, walking while black, shopping while black..... If there is less respect for cops, that lack of respect may have a big basis in life experience. That the OP suggests the way to take care of riots is to just shoot people sounds like a solution that the worst totalitarian governments would certainly endorse. I am not able to verify his memory of any such shoot to kill order in any online source
Flood Ravages Whole State Causing Many Deaths, Millions In Damage - Courant.com

Frankly the anti-minority postings of way too many on this forum is sickening.. play classical music, hand out job applications, take away their free stuff, undocumented shoppers, posting random photos of black people with guns as they fit your stereotype, shameful, and the reason why black Americans don't trust old white guys to be fair to them. Maybe the next generation will have less bigotry, prejudice, and animus.

Homicide Leading Cause Of Death Of Young Black Men, Says FAU Researcher

[graciegirl]

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[blueash]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

You know what, let's all be totally honest for a change. What's truly sickening to me is people is who refuse to state the obvious for fear of social condemnation. To wit, it's generally not a race issue but a CLASS issue. No one cares anymore about a person's race if they are middle class in culture and share a common value set.

On the other hand, all one has to do is look at the TV footage on any network and see the rioters in action, and the underclass they come from. No one with any brains or sense of civilized order likes it. These individuals have violated the law, and in some cases used firearms. It needs to be quelled not understood.

in addition, after a half century of social engineering, it's obvious the situation has gotten worse not better for the urban underclass. I challenge anyone to deny that.

The solution is obvious ... have a Mommy and Daddy raise a family, teach the children mainstream religious values (Judeo-Christian), be sure to include the Protestant work ethic and the resultant society usually works pretty well. That's why all the illegals of the world are trying to sneak into America -- it works!

Try to douse the guilt and white privilege ideology, and just look at the world realistically and help fix it.

So when white people invade an area, threaten to shoot cops and other government agents, take over the streets, even claim the law does not apply to them and point their guns at cops, they will be treated no differently than non-whites? They will be shot as soon as they go for their belt, or especially if they raise a weapon? They will be prosecuted for their riot, taking of property? I give you Cliven Bundy as evidence of a difference. What would have been the response of Fox News if these people had been non-whites, armed to the teeth, pointing their weapons?

What happened recently when a very wealthy black woman, well dressed, went into a store and asked to see a very expensive purse? Was she well treated because no one saw her race, just that she shared those Judeo Christian and Protestant values? Ask Oprah.

Sure it is all just a class issues not a color issue. Although pot usage is identical in black vs white, a black person is 4 times more likely to be arrested. The black/white marijuana arrest gap, in nine charts - The Washington Post

Ask Raymond Wilford about the equal treatment of black vs white where the cops pepper sprayed and arrested the wrong person in an altercation in Seattle even as white eyewitnesses told them it was the white guy who caused the problem.
Will the Pepper-Spraying Westlake Security Guard Be Punished? by Ansel Herz - Seattle News - The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper


If you and others can't see white privilege in action every day of your life, that is no doubt because you are benefitting from it. What is truly sickening to me is people who refuse to see the obvious.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by blueash

So when white people invade an area, threaten to shoot cops and other government agents, take over the streets, even claim the law does not apply to them and point their guns at cops, they will be treated no differently than non-whites? They will be shot as soon as they go for their belt, or especially if they raise a weapon? They will be prosecuted for their riot, taking of property? I give you Cliven Bundy as evidence of a difference. What would have been the response of Fox News if these people had been non-whites, armed to the teeth, pointing their weapons?

What happened recently when a very wealthy black woman, well dressed, went into a store and asked to see a very expensive purse? Was she well treated because no one saw her race, just that she shared those Judeo Christian and Protestant values? Ask Oprah.

Sure it is all just a class issues not a color issue. Although pot usage is identical in black vs white, a black person is 4 times more likely to be arrested. The black/white marijuana arrest gap, in nine charts - The Washington Post

Ask Raymond Wilford about the equal treatment of black vs white where the cops pepper sprayed and arrested the wrong person in an altercation in Seattle even as white eyewitnesses told them it was the white guy who caused the problem.
Will the Pepper-Spraying Westlake Security Guard Be Punished? by Ansel Herz - Seattle News - The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper


If you and others can't see white privilege in action every day of your life, that is no doubt because you are benefitting from it. What is truly sickening to me is people who refuse to see the obvious.

Basically, the argument of white privilege (which you have espoused more or less) says "white people are bad, they stole everything and America's been a gyp job" since the Founding ... ie my paraphrase. Hence, the ideological groundwork for continuation of white guilt and the eventual case for reparations etc. That's actually pretty obvious.

What's also obvious is the Attorney General and MO Gov rode into town, played to the mob shamelessly (by the way, do you deny it was a mob?) and did everything but offer them the rope. This is the path, if not challenged, that eventually leads to a Robespierre as each demagogue (eg Al Sharpton) raises the stakes to satiate what is essentially a very ignorant mob with easily inflamed passions.

I repeat ... the root cancer is cultural and class, not race. That truly is obvious but we can't say that or we get dumped on by the PC crowd. It's also a reflection of what happens when a civilization loses the morality that had been bestowed on it by Judeo Christian ethics and religion.

Another obvious reality ... if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets.

What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?

[Polar Bear]

I know I'm stating the obvious, but what really irritates me is the looting and violence that the legitimate protestors have nothing to do with.

Peaceful protest and the demand that the shooting (and all similar situations) be fully investigated is a right, understandable, and should be protected by law enforcement.

Those that see these situations as nothing but an opportunity for personal gain, perpetrating violence and theft, either coming in from the outside (bad enough) or against their own neighborhood and neighbors (even worse), make me sick...black, white, yellow, purple, paisley...makes no difference.

I don't envy law enforcement their job in these situations. I know it's easier said than done, but sorting out the legitimate protestors from the criminals seems to be the important thing, imho.

[graciegirl]

I am tired of people holding up an example of horrible things that happened in the past as an excuse. The KKK as awful as it was but it is a mere shadow these days. That kind of hate is not tolerated by the majority of people in this country.

I think about the holocaust and think how many of my Jewish friends whose families were tortured and killed by white people yet continued on to work hard and be independent and successful and they continued to do good for minorities everywhere..and just plain do good. Their parents made huge sacrifices for them so that they could get the education or money they needed to establish an independent life.

I am just tired of all the excuses why people of any color can't make a decent life for themselves in this country TODAY, IF they are not handicapped, sick or mentally ill. Poor is not an excuse, it is a starting point.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

So when white people invade an area, threaten to shoot cops and other government agents, take over the streets, even claim the law does not apply to them and point their guns at cops, they will be treated no differently than non-whites? They will be shot as soon as they go for their belt, or especially if they raise a weapon? They will be prosecuted for their riot, taking of property? I give you Cliven Bundy as evidence of a difference. What would have been the response of Fox News if these people had been non-whites, armed to the teeth, pointing their weapons?

What happened recently when a very wealthy black woman, well dressed, went into a store and asked to see a very expensive purse? Was she well treated because no one saw her race, just that she shared those Judeo Christian and Protestant values? Ask Oprah.

Sure it is all just a class issues not a color issue. Although pot usage is identical in black vs white, a black person is 4 times more likely to be arrested. The black/white marijuana arrest gap, in nine charts - The Washington Post

Ask Raymond Wilford about the equal treatment of black vs white where the cops pepper sprayed and arrested the wrong person in an altercation in Seattle even as white eyewitnesses told them it was the white guy who caused the problem.
Will the Pepper-Spraying Westlake Security Guard Be Punished? by Ansel Herz - Seattle News - The Stranger, Seattle's Only Newspaper


If you and others can't see white privilege in action every day of your life, that is no doubt because you are benefitting from it. What is truly sickening to me is people who refuse to see the obvious.

When I see a mention of Fox news in a post, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. I never see anyone alluding to the unbelievable news coverage on MSNBC, but the minute I see the Fox comments, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. This from someone who watches neither but understands the brainwashing aspect.

There was a shooting of a white unarmed young man in Salt Lake City by a black police officer. There are in fact protestors because it appears he was unarmed and thought to be armed. Legitimate questions are raised....

NO LOOTING....NO VIOLENCE....and thus far, not a mention of RACE, and the only reason, it appears, that the race is known is that it happened on the same day as the tragedy in Ferguson. Betting that was not on anyones tv screen !!!!

There are those like Sharpton, Jackson, Crump who rely on situations like this. That is the problem that you blame on whites in general.

Is there racism ? Sure, on all sides and has been forever. In the next 10 years white will not be a majority and then can claim that minority status I suppose. The quick draw response to call everyone racism without ever ever looking at root causes, such as culture, politics, economics will allow us to drown in this sea of hate that is being "taught" to young people.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Rags123

When I see a mention of Fox news in a post, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. I never see anyone alluding to the unbelievable news coverage on MSNBC, but the minute I see the Fox comments, I KNOW where that poster is coming from. This from someone who watches neither but understands the brainwashing aspect.

There was a shooting of a white unarmed young man in Salt Lake City by a black police officer. There are in fact protestors because it appears he was unarmed and thought to be armed. Legitimate questions are raised....

NO LOOTING....NO VIOLENCE....and thus far, not a mention of RACE, and the only reason, it appears, that the race is known is that it happened on the same day as the tragedy in Ferguson. Betting that was not on anyones tv screen !!!!

There are those like Sharpton, Jackson, Crump who rely on situations like this. That is the problem that you blame on whites in general.

Is there racism ? Sure, on all sides and has been forever. In the next 10 years white will not be a majority and then can claim that minority status I suppose. The quick draw response to call everyone racism without ever ever looking at root causes, such as culture, politics, economics will allow us to drown in this sea of hate that is being "taught" to young people.

Rags I happen to agree with you. However the WSJ recently reported that for the first time ever minority enrollment in schools surpassed white enrollment

I also agree with your opinion concerning TV broadcasts. I refuse to watch any of the alphabet stations not because of their liberal bias but because they have gotten so bold as to re-frame news events to their political likings .

Race continues to be a problem because liberals continue to pander to minorities for votes and in exchange gives them free stuff. How can America move forward if on one hand we demand equality and in the other continue intimating to minorities that they are victims

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by blueash

That the OP suggests the way to take care of riots is to just shoot people sounds like a solution that the worst totalitarian governments would certainly endorse.

No one was ever shot because the threat, "shoot to kill" kept people away. That was the point I was making.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Basically, the argument of white privilege (which you have espoused more or less) says "white people are bad, they stole everything and America's been a gyp job" since the Founding ... ie my paraphrase. Hence, the ideological groundwork for continuation of white guilt and the eventual case for reparations etc. That's actually pretty obvious.

What's also obvious is the Attorney General and MO Gov rode into town, played to the mob shamelessly (by the way, do you deny it was a mob?) and did everything but offer them the rope. This is the path, if not challenged, that eventually leads to a Robespierre as each demagogue (eg Al Sharpton) raises the stakes to satiate what is essentially a very ignorant mob with easily inflamed passions.

I repeat ... the root cancer is cultural and class, not race. That truly is obvious but we can't say that or we get dumped on by the PC crowd. It's also a reflection of what happens when a civilization loses the morality that had been bestowed on it by Judeo Christian ethics and religion.

Another obvious reality ... if a mob loots stores (no matter the reason), and especially if they use firearms to shoot their way into stores (as happened in at least one instance in Ferguson), the Police or National Guard should use their rifles to disperse the crowd. 1st volley is rubber bullets. If that doesn't work, then reload with real bullets.

What, out of curiosity, would you do to control a mob that was getting ready to attack loot and destroy your lifetime of work ... ie business?

You do not understand white privilege. It says absolutely nothing about white people being bad or reparations. It says nothing about ethics or civilization or the attorney general (did you know he is a Black man?) White privilege is the fact that if you are white our culture our cops our schools our juries in an unconscious manner give you an advantage which you would not be given if you were black. It means that if identical papers are given to a teacher to be graded and one is written by Susan and one by Shenequa that the paper by Susan which is no different at all, is likely to get a higher grade. Similarly studies of job applications have shown that resumes which have minority names result in fewer interviews
Employers' Replies to Racial Names
If you don't think driving while black is a real thing, The Statistical Analysis
or shopping while black see none other than Cond. Rice complain about it
A reader's guide to Condoleezza Rice: An American Life.

White privilege is real and gives a real advantage. Tall people are socially advantaged, attractive people are socially advantaged, non-obese people are socially advantaged. It has nothing to do with guilt or Jesse Jackson. It has to do with how every day being black makes life a little harder and why maybe after generations of that kind of engrained cultural bias might just make a black person more likely to get upset at the next traffic stop, or cop encounter, or salesperson following her around in a store. It does, if you're able to look at why, help to explain why when pushed hard enough black communities may push back. No I don't believe rioting is the answer and you should understand that such activity was by a tiny fraction of those involved in the Ferguson protests, and it was vigorously criticized by Sharpton

The civil rights activist, speaking at a rally Sunday afternoon in Ferguson, Mo., also urged people who are protesting the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown to remain peaceful in their actions.

“Some are angry and out of control. And others are taking advantage of it. And don’t take advantage of their child,” said Sharpton, referring to Brown’s parents. Don’t loot in Michael’s name,” he added. “We are not looters, we’re liberators. We are not burners. We are builders.”

And Jesse Jackson:
Jackson urged the crowd to continue protesting but to avoid violence."You can reshape an iron while it's hot, but don't destroy yourself in the process. Don't self-destruct," Jackson said.

But go ahead everyone, just hate on Sharpton and Jackson as agitators and ignore what they actually say. They lead the peaceful protestors including plenty of middle class looking (I know stereotype) and white protestors.

Clergy and activists help Ferguson protests remain calm

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Rags123

There was a shooting of a white unarmed young man in Salt Lake City by a black police officer. There are in fact protestors because it appears he was unarmed and thought to be armed. Legitimate questions are raised....

NO LOOTING....NO VIOLENCE....and thus far, not a mention of RACE, and the only reason, it appears, that the race is known is that it happened on the same day as the tragedy in Ferguson. Betting that was not on anyones tv screen !!!!

This is one of several posts that have referred to the shooting in Utah and questioned why there has not been more outrage or rioting about it. Firstly there is no history of repeated deaths of unarmed white people at the hands of black police to have established a basis for a concern of a racially motivated (even subconsciously) shooting. And while we have all been made aware of the conflicting stories as to what happened in Ferguson there is no conflict as to what happened in SLC. There was a report to the police of a young white male brandishing a handgun near a store. The police responded to the report and confronted a group of persons who fit the description. The cop ordered the person and those he was with get down on the ground with hands on your head and while the others complied the victim reached for his belt. His friends say he was adjusting his pants and did not hear the cop as he was wearing earphones. The cop saw a suspect reaching for his waist and shot as he was looking for a white male armed with a gun that was being brandished and his actions at least initially seem reasonable. And the victim in SLC, was a convicted felon with an active warrant for his arrest. This does not make shooting him ok, and it is unlikely that the cop knew that detail. I mention it only in contraposition to the completely clean criminal record of Mike Brown despite all the postings calling him a criminal or a gang member or a lowlife. He was on his way to college, had a mother and a father and yes seems to have had an altercation with the store owner earlier that day which was not part of a pattern of behavioral given his clean record.