[Luggage]

If you look around you, our roads are not crumbling and we don't have to spend any more money on infrastructure as we're spending quite enough thank you very much in Florida

[pauld315]

Originally Posted by blueash

It is interesting to me that almost everyone has agreed that the present method of financing road infrastructure which mostly depends on the gasoline use tax needs to be fixed; and, this problem will only worsen as more electric vehicles and more fuel efficient cars come onto the roads. Keep in mind that as states move to tax EVs that does nothing to replenish the federal highway fund that receives 18 cents a gallon.

Unlike the states which raise their gas tax often, the federal tax has been the same since 1993. The Highway Trust Fund is billions in the red and worsening every year. Most of the money in the fund is returned to the states for projects.

Many states use their own gas tax collected for costs that are not transportation related including police costs, education, and administration

So why is this proposed legislation going nowhere in Florida? The powerful oil industry is pushing it, to reduce the attractiveness of buying an EV. Is it just the "all taxes are evil" people? Or politicians so afraid that a future opponent will run an ad against them for imposing a tax.. I can't figure it out.

So, how much do EV users pay in taxes to charge their cars to the electric companies in their monthly electric bills already. Also, how much does Tesla and the other EV fast charging networks pay in taxes to the utilities to provide that capability? You can bet all those costs are passed on to the consumer.

[GpaVader]

Certainly understand wanting to find a way to collect Road fees for EV's, what I don't understand is the need to collect that from Hybrid's at least the gas powered ones. I own one and get an average of 35 mpg. This seems as though you are attempting to penalize someone for buying a fuel efficient car. Maybe you leave the gas tax alone so you are collecting money for out of state users and adding a surcharge on EV when they renew their tabs is a better approach. You're still not going to capture the out of state money but you will get more of the local money.

[Luggage]

Well here in Leesburg, I paid a city tax on my electric bill of about 13%. Right now electric cars are about 1% of all cars in the US but I see the point of making everyone pay " their fair share". It would be reasonable for the local DMV to take your mileage at the beginning and the end of each year and make you pay a tax on the perm oil that you have driven your electric car based on a reasonable amount of approximately 25 or 35 miles per gallon compared to a gas car of whatever the state and government taxes should be are for gasoline. "Fair enough Tax"

[Luggage]

And I'm really surprised Congress has not decided to pass and electric car tax yearly for those that have registered fully electric cars.

Originally Posted by Luggage

Well here in Leesburg, I paid a city tax on my electric bill of about 13%. Right now electric cars are about 1% of all cars in the US but I see the point of making everyone pay " their fair share". It would be reasonable for the local DMV to take your mileage at the beginning and the end of each year and make you pay a tax on the perm oil that you have driven your electric car based on a reasonable amount of approximately 25 or 35 miles per gallon compared to a gas car of whatever the state and government taxes should be are for gasoline. "Fair enough Tax"

[biker1]

It would be better follow the lead of the 19 states that already tax EVs - charge a set amount.

Originally Posted by Luggage

Well here in Leesburg, I paid a city tax on my electric bill of about 13%. Right now electric cars are about 1% of all cars in the US but I see the point of making everyone pay " their fair share". It would be reasonable for the local DMV to take your mileage at the beginning and the end of each year and make you pay a tax on the perm oil that you have driven your electric car based on a reasonable amount of approximately 25 or 35 miles per gallon compared to a gas car of whatever the state and government taxes should be are for gasoline. "Fair enough Tax"

[Art cov]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Our infrastructure has to be paid somehow, but I've never thought the gas tax was the proper or fair way to do it. It seems to me that especially with so many EV's/hybrids these days, a method that more closely reflects the damage done to our roads/bridges needs to be found. One way I've heard proposed that makes sense to me, is to develop a formula that takes the GVWR (the maximum loaded weight of your vehicle/trailer) and the miles driven each year - to determine the tax paid. Some may say that it's not fair, because vehicles aren't always loaded to the max, but I would point out that the biggest trucks that operate fully loaded (and that do the most damage) are currently paying the same as an empty truck, when the tax is simply based on fuel purchased. And yes, it can become complicated in determining what an OTR truck can actually pull, but maybe a function of horsepower could also be included in the formula?

The formula will be that the cost of goods will increase, which will be paid by all consumers. Those OTR expenses will be paid by us every time we buy something. Maybe the wind in some way will generate power while vehicles are moving, thus no need to use fuel or electricity. The combination of wind and solar could be effective but we will never see it. Just think, if our government knew how to budget, instead they are full of waste and squandered much of the gas taxes through the years to prevent us from having the best of roads. Gas taxes not enough so let’s tax for using our turnpikes and bridges. Well, that’s not enough!

[Bay Kid]

[QUOTE=Luggage;2025555]And I'm really surprised Congress has not decided to pass and electric car tax yearly for those that have registered fully electric cars.[/QUOT

[Brad-tv]

Maybe I’m wrong but…..

I thought the 25% tax increase in sumpter county last year was to repave the roads ( at least partly) in the villages that were perfectly fine in the first place? At least that was the chatter on the forum last year?

So if that’s true why does it matter what kind of vehicle we drive?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Brad-tv

Maybe I’m wrong but…..

I thought the 25% tax increase in sumpter county last year was to repave the roads ( at least partly) in the villages that were perfectly fine in the first place? At least that was the chatter on the forum last year?

So if that’s true why does it matter what kind of vehicle we drive?

They're talking about a state/federal tax, not a county tax...

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Which has been the same cry to avoid taxing those who can afford it the most, since like forever. We became the greatest nation on earth, with a top marginal tax rate more than double what it is now. Given that there is still competition, we'll see how much the entirety of any tax is simply a pass-through, versus a company/entity deciding to absorb some of it themselves. Welcome to capitalism.

A business plan is a business plan. A company may find ways to cut operating costs to be competitive but cutting taxes and costs that they are charged from others (shippers are one)is only possible if you find someone that is willing to deliver at reduced prices. That means reducing their operating costs and that usually means reduced quality. So far, based on current price increases that doesn't seem to be happening. And that too is capitalism.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by blueash

There was a bill working its way thru the legislature in Florida to impose a yearly tax on EVs. The proposal was for a tax of $135/yr for the EVs. It never made it out of committee in 2021 but is likely to be reintroduced.

The thinking is that those with a gas car are paying a gasoline tax with every fill-up which funds road infrastructure. Those with EVs and to some extent hybrids are getting to use that infrastructure for free. Consider if there were a toll bridge but EVs didn't have to pay a toll.

Shouldn't EV owners pay their way? I did a quick calculation based on averages of 11,000 miles/yr for each driver in Florida and an average $0.55 per gallon Federal/state/local gas tax. Using a guesstimate of the typical gasoline fueled car/truck of 22 mpg each vehicle is paying

11000 miles/22 miles/gal = 500 gallons * 0.55 dollars/gal = $275 per year in taxes paid by a gasoline fueled car. If anything the proposal was far too low. This calculation is for pure EV's. How to handle hybrids which use some electric and some gas also needs to be evaluated. No gas, no squeegee

With our crumbling roads, bridges, and infrastructure we will either need to move away from the idea of a user fee and make paying those costs just part of our overall tax policy or figure out a way to make non-gasoline users share the expense.

Too low, should be at least double that IMO.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Luggage

And I'm really surprised Congress has not decided to pass and electric car tax yearly for those that have registered fully electric cars.

The Federal government is not involved in the licensing and registration of cars. There is presently no mechanism that would allow them to know who owns an EV nor tax EVs. They could add a line to your income tax form.. Do you own an EV? and tax it that way, but the IRS has AFAIK not been involved in that kind of tax administration.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

I paid $16.00 to use the GWB or Lincoln Tunnel at least five times a week. Crazy.
What is $22.00?

i have a large car/livery vehicle