[Eg_cruz]

[QUOTE=milling73;1867368][QUOTE=Taltarzac725;1866956is off of Facebook--

We have ALL heard the horror stories for months. We have ALL seen the news clips, we have ALL watched the fall shows like The Good Doctor with its over dramatized, fear inducing tear jerker, “this is what happens if you get it”.

ENOUGH ALREADY. Find something else to post about, or find positive news - like yes positive numbers are still increasing but fewer are hospitalized or on a ventilator or dying either due to treatment or changes in the virus itself. Vaccines will be made and soon available - that will be effective.

So instead of posting the death fear - “if you get it, you die” which is also so very NOT true ... spread hope.

That alone will help far more in this battle.[/QUOTE]
Amen

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

This is from IPSOS the worlds third largest market research company. snipped


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Washington, DC, October 27, 2020 – A new Ipsos poll shows that most Americans are concerned about a spike in COVID-19 cases in their area during the holiday season. Regarding Thanksgiving plans, over half plan to celebrate with just immediate family. Just one in ten are traveling to see family and friends, with the majority saying they will quarantine for at least a week before traveling. The most common adaptations for Thanksgiving this year are having a smaller gathering and not seeing family or friends that one normally would see. Nonetheless, a third do not plan to make any adjustment.

40% of the US actually traveled for Thanksgiving. ONLY 60% followed CDC guidelines.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I disagree. It is a great post about REALITY. We need to accept the reality of this national emergency. You can't fight against a life and death emergency unless you RECOGNIZE it. The after Thanksgiving case increase is likely to overload hospitals and Doctors and nurses will experience burnout. Patient care will suffer. Families of patients will suffer. Why NOT recognize this possibility in order to gear up properly for it.

The US needs to quickly start up the DPA to provide our overworked Medical personal with enough N-95 masks and all other PPEs needed to become more successful at fighting this pandemic. Right now all of US society is NOT being patriotic and doing its share to fight back the Virus. This is a situation where you NEED big government - you can't fight a NATIONAL emergency on a state-by-state basis. The CDC asked / suggested that Americans limit their travel on Thanksgiving. 40% of Americans disregarded this Medical Science Advice and were unpatriotic and uncaring toward their fellow citizens. You can't beat the Virus by being selfish and disregarding CV. Get REAL America !!!!!!

REALITY is not a word or concept our government is aware of.

I was criticized on another thread for calling attention to what happens if our health system crashes or even gets any closer to such collapse.

I offered a sampling to headlines from across our country where hospitals just have no more room. I noted that in Texas, the National Guard was called up to work in the morgue.

I was told I was being political, as always, but assure you that Bucco is not being political. If you feel I tell a lie then tell me what it is.

We have a serious problem, and nobody in our government seems to be talking about it as a problem.

DPA is one way to help, as we have done over the past couple years in much easier to cope with situations, but all the warning about economic problems should we do any shut downs will be so very minor if the entire healthcare industry shuts down.

[donassaid]

That scenario plays out every single day across this country and around our world. The difference being that tens of thousands of these are due to heart attack, stroke, cancer, pneumonia and accidents of all kinds where, in many cases, families never have a chance to say their goodbyes. Why you chose to make this strictly about Corona virus and trying to guilt those who don't wear a mask, stay at home or cower behind closed doors is simply manipulating one's emotions. Lots of us refuse to bow to unhinged fear and paranoia and continue to live our lives to tge fullest. You should try it sometime.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I tend to agree. Most people have mild symptoms and recover fine at home.

The flu also kills people every year and, sadly, people die from terrible infections caused by cuts and scrapes that most people would never have an issue with. I've heard of people getting blood poisoning and sepsis from a hangnail. Life can be so random.

Dwelling on worse case scenarios really tends to suck the joy out of life.

And the ostrich buried its head in the sand to hide from their enemies. In this case, it is a CV enemy.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

There is a poster called Goodlife who is no longer posting and he espoused this same theory.

I do not agree with it. I will go and find a link to support my view.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Let's try with a link that's understandable. Yours is written in 'government speak'.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Terrified to know people who are not compassionate for others who
have to go on ventilators and turn a blind eye to others who suffer . Wait till they are faced with getting
sick . Don’t they have any concern at all for the healthcare workers that have to treat sick patients?
My lord , this is the society we live in and have to put up with such
Inhuman ones like these that don’t care .

Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't compassionate or caring. There are studies out there that support opposite conclusions.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Terrified to know people who are not compassionate for others who
have to go on ventilators and turn a blind eye to others who suffer . Wait till they are faced with getting
sick . Don’t they have any concern at all for the healthcare workers that have to treat sick patients?
My lord , this is the society we live in and have to put up with such
Inhuman ones like these that don’t care .

I agree but this post is a true story. This is a short story written to maybe open eyes or maybe to put the fear into others. I problem I am seeing her is it not a true story so with that I feel it’s it just an other fear tactic and those I am over already. I am one of those who follows the guide line as I am driving down the middle of the road.
I truly think people like me are so over the fear mongering and double standards that has been taking place since April and just want it to stop. So when people post things like this it omg not again.
If you have a real story I am all for that.
My sister has COPD got the virus and yes I was very scared for her but with the new care protocol in place she was in the hospital for three days and is doing great. They have really find ways to get people better fast and I would much rather read about that.
So yes I do care very deeply for my fellow man but I don’t need to have these kind of post it doesn’t help anyone.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by donassaid

That scenario plays out every single day across this country and around our world. The difference being that tens of thousands of these are due to heart attack, stroke, cancer, pneumonia and accidents of all kinds where, in many cases, families never have a chance to say their goodbyes. Why you chose to make this strictly about Corona virus and trying to guilt those who don't wear a mask, stay at home or cower behind closed doors is simply manipulating one's emotions. Lots of us refuse to bow to unhinged fear and paranoia and continue to live our lives to tge fullest. You should try it sometime.

Careful or you'll be admitted to the Truth and Reconciliation program. Living life to the fullest isn't the desire of big government types.

[Gulfcoast]

Reality: The coronavirus is a fairly innocuous bug to most people with many who are infected not even realizing that they have it.

Reality: There is a small percentage of people who will experience severe complications from this virus. Most of them have serious underlying preexisting health conditions.

Reality: The pros of keeping our country up and running outweigh the cons of shutting things down.

Reality: Laughter, joy, socializing is a great stress reliever that improves overall health - both physically and mentally.

Reality: Children (K-12), in general, do better with face to face school instruction and in person interaction with their peers.

Reality: Fear, anxiety and isolation lower the quality of life and contribute to health declines - both physical and mental.

Reality: I think people care about their fellow human beings we just have different ways of showing that we care.

And, finally, I have only heard one side of this argument say things like "I hope you die", "I'll spit in your face" or "Get near me and I'll kill you". If you find yourself saying these kinds of things, give a long hard look as to what kind of social media you are on and what news networks you are listening to. Mainstream media is not the fair, balanced news that we grew up listening to.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I think we simply have different personalities and different ways of assessing risks.

I will ask you to defer to the experts on this one. The WHO has stated that shutdowns have been catastrophic to communities, sending people into despair and poverty. The WHO does not recommend shutdowns saying that they do far more harm than good. The CDC has stated that children are safer in school and that they should be receiving face to face instruction. I look at this information and, to me, that means that we need to stop worrying so much about things that are really beyond our control. Medical doctors are saying that we need to keep working and sending our kids to school or risk catastrophic and irreversible damage to our communities.

Wear a mask, maintain good social distance but realize that the people eating out at restaurants, shopping at the stores, taking fitness classes at the gyms, attending schools are helping to keep our communities thriving, too. We need to stop second guessing each other and work on mitigating our own risks as necessary.

The CV Plague was ignored as far back as February 2020. That is why today the people of the US and TV Land are required by REALITY to now NOT ignore the Virus. The reaction to CV was BAD then and it is STILL bad today. You can HOPE for a vaccine to make everything normal, but it is too LATE. Current History will be marked as pre-CV and after-CV. HOPE is NOT a strategy. US society needs to "look the problem in the eye" and STOP ignoring it!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Coronavirus: What is it and how can I protect myself? - Mayo Clinic

Try researching reliable sources. This virus is very serious.

You are correct, this virus is serious. However, it is irresponsible to encourage or be accessory to mass hysteria.
I do not understand why there are those that seem to thrive on fear and also find the need to have company in their misery.

I have known several persons that have been bit by poisonous snakes, but I do not assume there there is a poisonous snake everywhere I go. Even though you can die from a snake bite, I do not know of anyone personally that has died from a snake bite. Same goes with the folks I know and witnessed that were bit by scorpions. Maybe not an accurate comparison but some of us prefer to live our lives with caution, NOT fear.

What is going to happen once the vaccine is distributed? Are the naysayers going to find something new to worry about? Live life cautiously, not Fearfully.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net

I agree but this post is a true story. This is a short story written to maybe open eyes or maybe to put the fear into others. I problem I am seeing her is it not a true story so with that I feel it’s it just an other fear tactic and those I am over already. I am one of those who follows the guide line as I am driving down the middle of the road.
I truly think people like me are so over the fear mongering and double standards that has been taking place since April and just want it to stop. So when people post things like this it omg not again.
If you have a real story I am all for that.
My sister has COPD got the virus and yes I was very scared for her but with the new care protocol in place she was in the hospital for three days and is doing great. They have really find ways to get people better fast and I would much rather read about that.
So yes I do care very deeply for my fellow man but I don’t need to have these kind of post it doesn’t help anyone.

Glad about your sister.

I also want the double talk to stop, but I, whether good or bad, am a realist, and want facts and truth.

You are absolutely correct, the facts and truths have bee very hard to come by for many months, and I KNOW what is happening in hospitals around our country. I KNOW the facts on our healthcare crisis, but I see no action or even words about it.

Hard to read some posts or hear stories, but my preference is the truth and facts, which we do not get and never have. I do not advocate shut downs or anything, but leadership is needed to insure we know all we should know.

The Vaccine is a silver lining but been hearing about it being available "shortly" for many months. Best and most reasonable dates I can get now is April/May of 2021......5 months from now.

‘Help is coming — and it’s coming soon’: Dr. Fauci outlines when COVID-19 vaccine will be available to all Americans - MarketWatch

I do not like to read a post like that either, but it is closer to reality than any other information we get.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The CV Plague was ignored as far back as February 2020. That is why today the people of the US and TV Land are required by REALITY to now NOT ignore the Virus. The reaction to CV was BAD then and it is STILL bad today. You can HOPE for a vaccine to make everything normal, but it is too LATE. Current History will be marked as pre-CV and after-CV. HOPE is NOT a strategy. US society needs to "look the problem in the eye" and STOP ignoring it!

The sky is falling. The end is near.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Exactly. And if you look at the overall deaths in the US in 2020 vs 2019, the numbers are basically the same. The fear mongering is nothing more than a diversion. They want us to focus on the left hand so we don't see what the right hand is doing.

That could be because in 2020 people were on the highway less and had fewer deaths? Nevertheless, the graph of CV deaths is RISING. That fact is of great importance to MANY people. The US will get back to normal ONLY after those CV deaths are under control. When will that happen???.......no one really knows - because many people are anti-vaxers and will resist getting the vaccine even AFTER Medical Science provides this "bridge to a normal future".