[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

We could split hairs about the who has the best among relatively similar standards, but it is irrelevant. The problem is China and India.

For what it's worth, China, USA, India, then all the also-rans!

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

What if? Let's give it a try and see! Or, we could sit om our thumbs and do nothing.

Much of the world has been giving it more than a try for a long time, and "they" say it's still getting worse, despite all the improvements.
Maybe you could get Mother Nature to make a better effort.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Anything renewable or green made from mining and fossil fuels. Agree we could cut that level but the world has to be on same page. We in United States have the highest standards in world , until rest of world meets our standard there nothing we can do except going down same old road.

So, you recommend adopting the lowest standards rather than setting the highest? That's an interesting concept. 🤔

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

You were obviously not around during the 40s and 50s!

I was. You think the air is cleaner now? Thank the "tree huggers" of that era for they brought polution to our attention, forcing regulations to make big poluters clean up their act.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

How many PPM of C02 in the atmosphere will cause all the breathing problems being cited? Provide a bonafide source for this info and not someone's opinion.

Why do some folks always want others to do the research and provide all the data? You want a statement fact checked, then you fact check it and you provide you findings. More often than not, "please provide" is just wasting your time and will deny any evidence and/or source as valid. It's mental "rope a dope", getting others to waste their time and energy. Hey, maybe you can cheat off Elon's notes?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

We could split hairs about the who has the best among relatively similar standards, but it is irrelevant. The problem is China and India.

And? 😐🤨

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bassdeer

Keep buying your EV's, Have to keep the child slave labor digging for cobalt going in the Congo.

OMG! 😒 Since when did you start caring, other than to use it as a guilt trip argument for big oil?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by skarra

I think you completely missed the point. It's not sulphur, mercury, and all those other nasties that could severely impact our health - it's also what you can't see. Think of Carbon Monoxide in your home - invisible and yet kills. We may think everything is "clean", but as CO2 levels rise you will find it harder to breathe and as Elon points out we will all start to suffer. Sort of like a frog in a pot of water slowly being brought to the boil.

My intent is to point out that besides climate change, elimination of biodiversity, and all the other problems a reliance on fossil fuels creates - CO2 is a very simple one to understand. It's easy to measure, and the charts make it very plain as to what is going on.

Maybe it's a case of the Millenials and Gen Z's will have to deal with this because we will all be dead when it starts to rear it's ugly head. But whatever the case, we (the not so "wise" old ones) are not leaving the world in a great place for our grand children.

FYI! Often "missing the point" is intentional. Used to get one to chase red herring or present misdirection or misinformation. Tactical "thick headedness".

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Much of the world has been giving it more than a try for a long time, and "they" say it's still getting worse, despite all the improvements.
Maybe you could get Mother Nature to make a better effort.

"Much of the world" isn't doing enough, and the other "much of the world" is short sighted simply trying to survive as the whole world around is getting less habitable.
And, Mother always liked you more..

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Why do some folks always want others to do the research and provide all the data? You want a statement fact checked, then you fact check it and you provide you findings. More often than not, "please provide" is just wasting your time and will deny any evidence and/or source as valid. It's mental "rope a dope", getting others to waste their time and energy. Hey, maybe you can cheat off Elon's notes?

I think his point was there is NO answer, only opinions. You can't fact check when there are no facts. If someone does actually have an answer based on facts, let us know.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I was. You think the air is cleaner now? Thank the "tree huggers" of that era for they brought polution to our attention, forcing regulations to make big poluters clean up their act.

It's obvious the air is cleaner now. Nothing to do with tree huggers back then, at least in UK.
We were still struggling in the aftermath of WW2.
So many were dying from the stuff in the air, it was getting ridiculous.
When votes are at risk, things get done.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Why do some folks always want others to do the research and provide all the data? You want a statement fact checked, then you fact check it and you provide you findings. More often than not, "please provide" is just wasting your time and will deny any evidence and/or source as valid. It's mental "rope a dope", getting others to waste their time and energy. Hey, maybe you can cheat off Elon's notes?

When someone makes a claim, it is their responsibility to provide evidence to back it up. Otherwise, it is just oral diarrhea.

[Bassdeer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

OMG! 😒 Since when did you start caring, other than to use it as a guilt trip argument for big oil?

No, hate child trafficking more than oil, but I guess you're ok with it. I'll pray for you.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by mraines

So if your neighbor had trash all over his property, would you do the same? It's up to each of us to do what we can to clean up this planet.

It does no good for me to clean up my property when neighbors trash just blow on to mine. Just makes more work for me. The point was make neighbors clean up their yard, until, then no matter what I do the trash will keep coming cause I can’t force my neighbors to be good neighbors.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

When someone makes a claim, it is their responsibility to provide evidence to back it up. Otherwise, it is just oral diarrhea.

Opinions don’t need claims beside’s if look hard enough you can find some study to back up your claim. But I don’t have to agree with it.