[Justus]

Originally Posted by biker1

Anyone notice that some posts in this thread have been removed? Perhaps the moderators can explain why that happened.

Those of us whose posts were removed did notice. It's funny... immediately after the shootings, virtually all the mainstream talking heads...CNN, etc., speculated - with impunity - on national TV, that this was an act performed by "right wing extremists, anti-abortionists, Christian extremists, a militia movement", etc., etc., and suggested our guns were the source of the problem. When the identity of the terrorists was revealed, some even suggested that we need to protect Muslims from anti-Muslim backlash.

Now, however, none has the integrity or honesty to call this an ISIS-spawned terrorist attack. They're still groping for an elusive "motive"...and they're still calling these terrorists "home-grown". To France's credit, they identified their attack within minutes. We need to grow up. And we need our freedom of speech back. This PC stuff is destroying America.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Justus

Those of us whose posts were removed did notice. It's funny... immediately after the shootings, virtually all the mainstream talking heads...CNN, etc., speculated - with impunity - on national TV, that this was an act performed by "right wing extremists, anti-abortionists, Christian extremists, a militia movement", etc., etc., and suggested our guns were the source of the problem. When the identity of the terrorists was revealed, some even suggested that we need to protect Muslims from anti-Muslim backlash.

Now, however, none has the integrity or honesty to call this an ISIS-spawned terrorist attack. They're still groping for an elusive "motive"...and they're still calling these terrorists "home-grown". To France's credit, they identified their attack within minutes. We need to grow up. And we need our freedom of speech back. This PC stuff is destroying America.

This looks like an ISIS inspired attack. There is a big difference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...led-14-people/

[Justus]

Explain the semantics to the victims. This is what I mean by PC.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by Justus

Those of us whose posts were removed did notice. It's funny... immediately after the shootings, virtually all the mainstream talking heads...CNN, etc., speculated - with impunity - on national TV, that this was an act performed by "right wing extremists, anti-abortionists, Christian extremists, a militia movement", etc., etc., and suggested our guns were the source of the problem. When the identity of the terrorists was revealed, some even suggested that we need to protect Muslims from anti-Muslim backlash.

Now, however, none has the integrity or honesty to call this an ISIS-spawned terrorist attack. They're still groping for an elusive "motive"...and they're still calling these terrorists "home-grown". To France's credit, they identified their attack within minutes. We need to grow up. And we need our freedom of speech back. This PC stuff is destroying America.

Couldn't agree more. I heard on CNN - Wolf Blitzer yesterday, during a panel discussion -after much of the terror evidence was reported-say, "It appears that this was a mix of "Mass Shooting and Workplace Violence". These folks with their bias simply CANNOT face up to the fact - right from the top of the country...

If we had the current Leaders and media:

The Civil War would be termed - A Family Dispute.

Pearl Harbor would be - Airspace Infusion.

9/11/2001 would be - Wrongful use of Domestic Aircraft.

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Global Warming=Climate Change=Impending Destruction of our Civilization

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Justus

Explain the semantics to the victims. This is what I mean by PC.

Not a matter of PC but a matter of who caused what. If these shooters had orders or some kind of communications from ISIS then that would be pretty much an act-of-war against the US like what happened in Paris and would involve something like French politicians' re-action. If this were just some very angry people looking for a reason to go on a killing spree then that is a different matter that does not I hope involve an act-of-war against the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novemb..._Paris_attacks

I have been a victim advocate of sorts since January 1991 and my first thoughts are always for what victims/survivors are thinking.

This does look like a terrorist attack but one inspired by ISIS not controlled nor ordered in some way by them.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Not a matter of PC but a matter of who caused what. If these shooters had orders or some kind of communications from ISIS then that would be pretty much an act-of-war against the US like what happened in Paris and would involve something like French politicians' re-action. If this were just some very angry people looking for a reason to go on a killing spree then that is a different matter that does not I hope involve an act-of-war against the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novemb..._Paris_attacks

I have been a victim advocate of sorts since January 1991 and my first thoughts are always for what victims/survivors are thinking.

It took moments for Timothy McVeigh to be labeled a terrorist. What's the difference between his "act of terrorism" and the one with which we are now dealing? Euphemisms and semantics cannot alter fact. What you are suggesting is PC...and I would not take stock in anything CNN, the Washington Post or Wiki says...they, too, are biased. That's my opinion, the right to which I'm sure you would defend to the end.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Justus

It took moments for Timothy McVeigh to be labeled a terrorist. What's the difference between his "act of terrorism" and the one with which we are now dealing? Euphemisms and semantics cannot alter fact. What you are suggesting is PC...and I would not take stock in anything CNN, the Washington Post or Wiki says...they, too, are biased. That's my opinion, the right to which I'm sure you would defend to the end.

These are terrorists who funded them, etc. are not yet known. That's not a matter of PC but of being accurate.

[Justus]

Well, then, the press, in their effort to be "accurate" certainly fell short in referring to the perps as "right wingers" and "pro-lifers". Here is a link to how "accurate" the reportage was, starring some of your favorite celebrity reporters:

Ten of the Dumbest Things Said About the San Bernardino Shootings | Power Line

[ugotme]

The "Press" no longer cares about being accurate.
Basically all they want is to be first!
Secondly they want to push their own agenda - whatever that may be!

Have been sick and tired of this PC junk for a long time. Many people are starting to think this also.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

There are common sense solutions out there. Let's just see if our leaders keep taking these all-or-nothing stances.

What was the motive for this shooting? It still seems unknown.

What does the leader of Iran say....to kill the infidels....that is us. That is what the muslim religion preaches.

And just like in any other society even without the direction from religion there are some wackos who are going to kill other people....no matter the cause. And if, as in the case of muslims, there are some who cannot think and interpret for themselves.....they are wacko enough to believe what they are directed to do....by other wackos in high places.

So the radical wackos will attempt to carry out the mission to kill and be killed for the greater reward.

When these wackos are hidden in our society they take on the personna of the area they live and work. And of course their targeting will be within they areas they are most familiar. They have a long patience and will take what ever time it takes to plan and prepare for the ultimate attack. And in keeping with their wacko directions given, always seem to choose any place that is full of innocents and helpless to defend them selves.

There is no mystery. The American way....from television and movie traing all those years. What was the motive? Who did they pi$$ off? What revenge was being sought? and so on wasting time.

They are sworn to infiltrate, live among us and kill us.....those that are defenseless innocents.

......brainless cowards.

[goodtimesintv]

It is lame to see all the leftist PC suck-ups defending the religion by pointing the finger at the other majority religion and saying "the extremists aren't any more representative of Islam than the vile, poisonous Westboro Baptists are representative of Christianity". While it's mostly true literally, the equivalency they concoct is BULL.

For one thing, as vile and sickening as Westboro is, I don't think they have cut off any soldier's or gay person's head (the people they hate and spew verbal poison on), nor do they throw gay people off rooftops 'to cleanse their sins' as Sharia courts approve and sentence!

Secondly, I don't think we've EVER seen the "moderate, peaceful" Muslims in our country speak out about the hijacking by butchers of their religion, as is seen often like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTOlqb0f9o

I think the moderate, peaceful Muslims do not speak out against the killing because of reprisal and punishment in their places of worship--the mosques--the enormous difference from any of the world's Christian churches!!

[NotGolfer]

Read online, several sources that the wife had supported Isis....so they both had links to these folks. More will come out with time, I'm sure.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ugotme

The "Press" no longer cares about being accurate.
Basically all they want is to be first!
Secondly they want to push their own agenda - whatever that may be!

Have been sick and tired of this PC junk for a long time. Many people are starting to think this also.

There do try to scoop one another and often with a story like this the facts take a long time to actually present themselves. It is about ratings, advertising, and the like.

It seems to have always been like this that they chase stories and get stuff wrong. You see it quicker now with all the wide range of quickly accessible news sources now.

[Carl in Tampa]

Well, it's official. The Deputy Director of the FBI in Los Angeles has just announced that the California shooting is regarded as an act of Terrorism based upon their preliminary investigation.

I'm sure that President Obama and his minions in the White House and Congress will be extremely displeased with this development.

It is heartening that the FBI is apparently following the evidence rather than the desires of the President. Other agency leaders in the government have not shown such courage.

Bravo FBI.

[ajbrown]

It is amazing how patient David Bowdiich is with the media. Not one eye roll, not one 'did you really ask that again'....