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Old 11-24-2019, 02:38 PM
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Ethics morality question. Since the car knows exactly how long it takes to stop at any given speed what will happen when a child runs out to fetch a ball. The situation is as follows. The car calculates stopping distance and the answer is can not stop in time to avoid the child. The only other option is to swerve but car realizes there are a group of people at the bus stop and calculates that distance also as impossible to stop. What programer get to write the decision into the software program I.E. take one life or several but the one life is that of a child and the bus stop was adults.
The programmer will not make the decision. He will create the program that performs as directed by those making the decisions.
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Ethics morality question. Since the car knows exactly how long it takes to stop at any given speed what will happen when a child runs out to fetch a ball. The situation is as follows. The car calculates stopping distance and the answer is can not stop in time to avoid the child. The only other option is to swerve but car realizes there are a group of people at the bus stop and calculates that distance also as impossible to stop. What programer get to write the decision into the software program I.E. take one life or several but the one life is that of a child and the bus stop was adults.
So what decision would you make and how long do you think you would take to make the decision compared to how fast a computer can make that decision?
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Under what justification should we "question" how a corporation...chooses to spend their own research money?

Particularly since it is all but inevitable...it will come to pass.
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Old 11-24-2019, 03:51 PM
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Ethics morality question. Since the car knows exactly how long it takes to stop at any given speed what will happen when a child runs out to fetch a ball. The situation is as follows. The car calculates stopping distance and the answer is can not stop in time to avoid the child. The only other option is to swerve but car realizes there are a group of people at the bus stop and calculates that distance also as impossible to stop. What programer get to write the decision into the software program I.E. take one life or several but the one life is that of a child and the bus stop was adults.
There will always be no-win situations...or only bad/arguably worse choices.

In fact, ethics classes have a plethora of these types of scenarios.

More importantly though, is the big picture whereby how many accidents will be avoided by the use of automation/sensors that can react/process all of the factors, in a fraction of the time...that even the best of drivers can do?
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So what decision would you make and how long do you think you would take to make the decision compared to how fast a computer can make that decision?
That was a very intelligent response. You are smarter than the average bear to go down that path rather than the obvious think of about how many lives will be saved. The fact is you as a human do not have the capability to make such a precise calculation as the on board computer does especially within that time frame. My guess is by the time your mind processed the situation you would not have realized there was options and probably would have slammed on the brakes - period. The reality of this situation is some algorithm will be programed in. I for one would not like to be the one that makes that decision to be incorporated into the software. On the other hand what will AI bring to the party ? Thus I think autonomous vehicles are farther away than we think. Not for technology but for morality.
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.....and as for Dick Tracy and his two way wrist radio.
What nonsence that was!

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I doubt our generation will fully embrace it.
You might change your mind when faced with losing your drivers license due to advanced age. You might prefer an autonomous car to having to beg for rides.
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So what decision would you make and how long do you think you would take to make the decision compared to how fast a computer can make that decision?
What decision would you make is a good question, people think computers should be infallible, they never will be, but, they can always be reprogrammed to fix a problem. How do you fix stupid?
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Do you think the computer will let me drive?
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They said the Wright Brothers were crazy too, and Henry Ford, and Nikola Tesla...
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What decision would you make is a good question, people think computers should be infallible, they never will be, but, they can always be reprogrammed to fix a problem. How do you fix stupid?
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I am not there yet on self driving vehicles but......it would be a godsend for people with special needs.


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Self driving cars. Human driven cars we can easily research the accident rate per 100,000 miles. The death rate per 100,000 miles.

For self driving cars, for a machine, we would not find what a human can do, does, to be acceptable.

There was that event where a self driving car hit a lady walking a bike on a dark road. Apparently the self driving car recorded the video. I saw the story several times I don't recall a single person wondering it a human would have avoided hitting the lady who chose to cross the road at a very poor place to do so.

I am not defending the machine. I am not am not a techno-nerd. Just trying to point out that nothing is perfect.
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