[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Are you suggesting Duke is selling the charger and their business model is to make big bucks by netting $25/customer?

Otherwise, the charger will be installed one way or another whether there is a rebate or not and Duke is only eating into their profits by sending the customer an $800 check.

Plus, Duke also offers $7.50/month if the customer charges within certain hours.

But yeah, Duke is out to make money so there is something in it for them. Maybe a $1,000 credit from the Govt for providing an EV program where they pass 80% along to the customer and keep 20% for themselves.

Yes, Duke is out to make money.

Lol, I do not believe Duke, a public stock traded company, is out of the goodness of their heart installing 220 chargers for $25. per customer to take a loss and a beating in their profits which they need to explain to the stockholders. I hope Duke also donates millions to Tunnels to Towers yearly if they are that benevolent.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz

Duke Energy encourages EV’s. They just started a new program that they will reimburse you (by a check) for up to $850 to install your 220 plug in the garage for charging your EV. My total bill for install was $875, so Duke paid all but $25. Obviously, with that perk they are encouraging EV’s.

Originally Posted by Aces4

You do realize that Duke is in the business of selling electricity for profit and encouraging consumers to use more of their product to increase their profits is the goal, right? EV chargers will nicely pad their bottom line and thus the encouragement and discount to install the 220 plugs will be recovered quickly.

They're not encouraging EV's, they're encouraging consumption, while lowering production and delivery costs.

[Bwanajim]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

We often hear the naysayers claim the USA Electric Grid can't support a major conversion to EV's.

& many think that's a load of baloney.

We're converting a 200 Room Hotel, with 20,000 sq ft of event space, to a 300 unit Condominium. It's locate on a major US Interstate, in a sophisticated, wealthy suburb of Boston, less than 20 miles outside the city.

The electric grid/distribution system can't supply sufficient electricity to the site, without a infrastructure upgrade to the property line. They sent us the cost estimate on Friday.

$21,129,000. $70,000/unit. Total cost to provide electrical service, so each unit can run some lights & a toaster, is over $100,000.

I read a lot about our current power grid could not support it. One example was only 4 homes on a block could have a charging station without overloading the system.
I'm sure that's probably older neighborhoods.

[bopat]

I would never buy a house next to a gas station.
Yet my house charges my EV every night.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by bopat

I would never buy a house next to a gas station.
Yet my house charges my EV every night.

I would never buy house next to utilities generation, yet I use electric in my in my house.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Agreed, putting a box on every car would be foolish. Bad enough storing what destroyed the Hindenburg...

Let’s see tank of gas? 800 pounds plus batteries? Which will cause same damage it goes up like Roman candle 🧨. Nothing without risk no matter how low the percentage.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rocksnap

EV’s are NOT cleaner than ICE vehicles. Many studies have been accomplished. When you add up the start to finish, EV’s at far dirtier than ICE. The mining of raw materials, shipping to process said raw materials for processing. More shipping of raw materials to the battery makers. More shipping to the car manufacturers. More shipping to the consumer. More shipping when the battery pack needs replacing. I didn’t even start with the electricity generation by most likely a coal fired plant. When ALL is added up, ICE emissions are drastically less over the life of a vehicle than an EV. EV’s “saving the planet” is a pipe dream. At least for the current technologies.

That analysis is the complete definition of a RATIONALIZATION. It starts with the desire to prove that ICE vehicles are better for the environment than Electric vehicles and then works backwards. The 1st problem with the analysis is that EVs need fewer parts and fewer moving parts so EVs will EVENTUALLY cost less than IC vehicles. Using less parts will mean that all the transportation costs will FAVOR the Electric vehicles. EV motors go in a circular motion while the gasoline engines going a reciprocating motion that must be transformed into circular motion. That means more frictional losses. Which means less efficiency for an internal combustion engine versus a EV. Also, the gasoline engine uses a radiator to make up for HEAT LOSS. The main point of EVs are that the cost of electricity will go down in the future while the cost gas and oil will go up. In general, people, especially the older ones, don't like CHANGE. Those people can EASE into the future with hybrid vehicles. IC engines are at their peak of design efficiency, but EV motors and batteries have a greater future for safety and efficiency.

[biker1]

Not enough details to take the example seriously. To start, how many amps will each house pull to recharge? If you are using 120V charging (Level 1) then it could be about 10 amps; not a big deal. If is it 240V (Level 2) it could be as high as 48 amps. Depending on how many miles you drive per day, Level 1 could be sufficient. A house with 200 amp service would probably not have an issue with Level 2 charging. A house with 100 amp service could have an issue. Details matter.

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

I read a lot about our current power grid could not support it. One example was only 4 homes on a block could have a charging station without overloading the system.
I'm sure that's probably older neighborhoods.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

If anyone doubts the Toyota is the premier automobile manufacturer in the world, they haven't been paying attention.

Toyota has been saying for years, they won't jump on the EV bandwagon, because Hybrids are the logical evolution in automobiles.

Toyota has been kicking the butts of every other auto manufacturer for 30+ years and the trend continues.

You'd think the other manufacturers would have figured it out by now, but other than trying to copy Toyota/Lexus move to "big fat front grills", they seem content to allow Toyota to kick their butt.

The Toyota BZ4X is their 1st ALL-ELECTRIC vehicle. It sells for $43K. Hint.....it may become a GREAT collector car as the US people begin buying more and more hybrid and all electric vehicles.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by biker1

Not enough details to take the example seriously. To start, how many amps will each house pull to recharge? If you are using 120V charging (Level 1) then it could be about 10 amps; not a big detail. If is it 240V (Level 2) it could be as high as 48 amps. Depending on how many miles you drive per day, Level 1 could be sufficient. A house with 200 amp service would probably not have an issue with Level 2 charging. A house with 100 amp service could have an issue. Details matter.

Tesla M3 charging at L2 ~220v maxes out at 32 amps.

[biker1]

Did the installer put in a 40, 50, or 60 amp breaker? Did you put in a Tesla wall charger or a NEMA 14-50 outlet and use the Mobile charger? Any thoughts on whichever way you went? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Tesla M3 charging at L2 ~220v maxes out at 32 amps.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bopat

I would never buy a house next to a gas station.
Yet my house charges my EV every night.

Good point!

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by biker1

Did the installer put in a 40, 50, or 60 amp breaker? Did you put in a Tesla wall charger or a NEMA 14-50 outlet and use the Mobile charger? Any thoughts on whichever way you went? Thanks.

Those were all options. I went with the NEMA 14-50 outlet and a 50 amp breaker with 1" conduit vs standard 3/4".

Why? The charging kit that comes with a Tesla includes both a regular 110v standard plug and a NEMA 14-50 plug like you would have on an electric dryer. This installation was done UpNorth, where the conduit had to be run from the electrical panel in the basement on the other side of the house. In the event we ever had 2 EVs, the larger conduit would accommodate an additional circuit which the 3/4" would not. The additional expense of 1" was not much. Same with the larger breaker.

I didn't feel like spending $500 for the Tesla wall charger as it didn't really do much more than the 14-50 except look prettier.

When I'm in FL, I use a standard 110v outlet to charge overnight and I only have to do it maybe once a week. I just don't use much juice going to different rec centers and the grocery store.