[Pturner]

Originally Posted by Yorio

I went on a fishing expedition to see if a deeper dialogue would be possible on TOTV but guess I was wrong. Or, perhaps my questions were too vague for starting a dialogue. So, let me try again.

Recently I had an experience at our neighborhood bank where I had business for decades. Now with bank mergers, we have some new staff. I had a State Tax refund check with both of our names on it. I asked my wife to counter sign where appropriate and brought it to the bank. The cashier told me that my wife has to be present with her ID. for me to deposit in my account. We have separate account. I told her I have done this before but she said this was the rule. Now, I know technically she is right but the small branch is really a neighborhood bank and I know most of the staff there. I thought I would get that 'friendly' treatment. I know she is right but I felt cheated. Rules are rules?

Or, recently I read on a post about a 5 some on a golf course. We do that occasionally on our club. We start off as three some and two some and join together later. Technically amongst five of us, we are using two tee times but rules says no 5 some. Could there be a wink or no?

Or, on another post I read that if one sees someone walking at 10 p.m. on a golf course, she will call the police. How about if a couple with two flashlights walking between 8 and 10 p.m. in winter where no golfers around, would she still call a police? Carrying flashlights a must.

I won't start on questions such as "what is love", "what is beauty", "what is justice", "what is insanity", at least not yet or this post is a total failure.

Speaking of seeing the other side...

The bank question: Suppose you lose a check. Someone finds it and forges your name. He goes to the bank and convinces a new teller-- who cannot possibly know all the regular customers yet-- that he cashes your checks for you all the time and has been doing it for years. The teller gives him the "friendly" treatment.

Bet you'd feel cheated then.

The five golfer question: Two tee times involves a different pace of play than does one group of five. Perhaps the group behind the fivesome gets a hole or more behind because five people playing together were able to play faster than when playing as separate groups. Now, the group behind that complains about the group that appears to be a hole behind. Or the ambassador sees they are behind and makes them pick up.

Another way to look at the question is, do I consider how bending the rules affects others or just how it affects me? Do the rules even apply to me? If not, why not?

Couple walking with flashlights: Hmm, perhaps a widow looks out her window and sees people with flashlights roaming behind the houses. Are they casing the homes? Scared out of her wits, she has a heart attack. Or maybe a couple's privacy-- for which they paid extra by living on a golf course-- is disrupted.

Another way to look at the question is, do I consider how bending the rules affects others or just how it affects me? Do the rules even apply to me? If not, why not?

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Speaking of seeing the other side...

The bank question: Suppose you lose a check. Someone finds it and forges your name. He goes to the bank and convinces a new teller-- who cannot possibly know all the regular customers yet-- that he cashes your checks for you all the time and has been doing it for years. The teller gives him the "friendly" treatment.

Bet you'd feel cheated then.

The five golfer question: Two tee times involves a different pace of play than does one group of five. Perhaps the group behind the fivesome gets a hole or more behind because five people playing together were able to play faster than when playing as separate groups. Now, the group behind that complains about the group that appears to be a hole behind. Or the ambassador sees they are behind and makes them pick up.

Another way to look at the question is, do I consider how bending the rules affects others or just how it affects me? Do the rules even apply to me? If not, why not?

Couple walking with flashlights: Hmm, perhaps a widow looks out her window and sees people with flashlights roaming behind the houses. Are they casing the homes? Scared out of her wits, she has a heart attack. Or maybe a couple's privacy-- for which they paid extra by living on a golf course-- is disrupted.

Another way to look at the question is, do I consider how bending the rules affects others or just how it affects me? Do the rules even apply to me? If not, why not?

Very good points, as always! Thanks, PTurner!

[Bogie Shooter]

reading all 32 posts without a break, will give you a headache!

[angiefox10]

Now 34

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Speaking of seeing the other side...

The bank question: Suppose you lose a check. Someone finds it and forges your name. He goes to the bank and convinces a new teller-- who cannot possibly know all the regular customers yet-- that he cashes your checks for you all the time and has been doing it for years. The teller gives him the "friendly" treatment.

Bet you'd feel cheated then.

The five golfer question: Two tee times involves a different pace of play than does one group of five. Perhaps the group behind the fivesome gets a hole or more behind because five people playing together were able to play faster than when playing as separate groups. Now, the group behind that complains about the group that appears to be a hole behind. Or the ambassador sees they are behind and makes them pick up.

Another way to look at the question is, do I consider how bending the rules affects others or just how it affects me? Do the rules even apply to me? If not, why not?

Couple walking with flashlights: Hmm, perhaps a widow looks out her window and sees people with flashlights roaming behind the houses. Are they casing the homes? Scared out of her wits, she has a heart attack. Or maybe a couple's privacy-- for which they paid extra by living on a golf course-- is disrupted.

Another way to look at the question is, do I consider how bending the rules affects others or just how it affects me? Do the rules even apply to me? If not, why not?

P:

You are one smart lady.

Joe

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Not to be argumentative nor political I know liberals who act in the very same way as is explained above. The problem with this thread is that if two people are on different philosophical planes they are never going to agree. Heck they may not even understand one another. Add to this your core beliefs, ethics morals, etc. I believe in Mom. apple pie and America.

We are such complex creatures that I believe it is a mistake to attempt to define us with words based on our color, religion, political leanings, etc. Certainly it can point us in the right direction but most of us our much deeper

Life is short, share hugs instead!

[Yorio]

I've been gone a day and what a difference a day makes and I'll probably have to read the posting several times to appreciate the trove of treasures of all the postings. To some questioning the unanswerable would be waste of time but for me the process of thinking in it self is worth pursuing. Yes, it does give one headaches if one really want to see even a tentative answer. Why am I even doing this? I guess with all the aged wisdom here in TOTV, I may see viewpoints I never encountered before. I was fascinated by answers, reactions and new questions that were raised. Since I have only taken one semester of philosophy, I have no knowledge of where this leads but hoping a retired philosophy professor will give us guidance or we will just move with the winds even if some may consider it "lots of hot air"

[Yorio]

Angiefox10. My dance teacher always tells me men start from left foot and women right therefore women are always right. If women are ALWAYS right, life would be so simple for men:icon_wink. But why is it then that my wife's directional guidance used to be quite often the direct opposite of where I want to go? The discovery of GPS system must have reduced the divorce rate all around the world.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by Yorio

I've been gone a day and what a difference a day makes and I'll probably have to read the posting several times to appreciate the trove of treasures of all the postings. To some questioning the unanswerable would be waste of time but for me the process of thinking in it self is worth pursuing. Yes, it does give one headaches if one really want to see even a tentative answer. Why am I even doing this? I guess with all the aged wisdom here in TOTV, I may see viewpoints I never encountered before. I was fascinated by answers, reactions and new questions that were raised. Since I have only taken one semester of philosophy, I have no knowledge of where this leads but hoping a retired philosophy professor will give us guidance or we will just move with the winds even if some may consider it "lots of hot air"

Not a philosophy professor, so not sure where it should lead. But, um... did you realize that if you took the "Y" off your screen name, you'd be a misspelled but popular cookie?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by Pturner

.......But, um... did you realize that if you took the "Y" off your screen name, you'd be a misspelled but popular cookie?.....

"Pturner - step away from the wine bottle.....NOW!!!"

Bill

[angiefox10]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Not a philosophy professor, so not sure where it should lead. But, um... did you realize that if you took the "Y" off your screen name, you'd be a misspelled but popular cookie?

Is it possible you just might be over thinking this?

[villages07]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Not a philosophy professor, so not sure where it should lead. But, um... did you realize that if you took the "Y" off your screen name, you'd be a misspelled but popular cookie?

Yeah, PT, but Oreos are generally black and white...not befitting a philosophical discussion.

Sorry for the interruption... Please continue.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by villages07

Yeah, PT, but Oreos are generally black and white...not befitting a philosophical discussion.

Sorry for the interruption... Please continue.

Excellent point 07. But if you put an Oreo in boiling water, would the water turn gray?

Hmmm. Is the fact that there are so many shades of gray the reason you can spell grey two ways?

Oh, and say Angie, I might be over-thinking all this, but I have a built-in excuse: I'm a misspelled Phyllos opher.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by Pturner

.........I'm a misspelled Phyllos opher. .....

You didn't pay attention to my earlier post, now did you P?

Bill

[angiefox10]

I had to look it up because I was confused. Gray is the spelling for the US and Grey is the British spelling! I just guessed the people who spelled it Grey were more world traveled then I!

However I have lived in other countries. Grew up in Arkansas! Ya'll