[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Depends on how much TIME before he got to me and could I run to get more time. If I could NOT retreat, I would fire a warning shot 1st and if he kept coming I would try to hit a leg. If there was no TIME and no possible backing away, then I would shoot for the chest. So it depends!

Serious? You obviously know NOTHING of police policy regarding confrontations with armed assailants. If I (as a police officer) ran from an armed assailant I would be severely reprimanded if not outright fired. Leaving the scene and allowing an armed assailant to threaten, injure, or perhaps kill an unarmed civilian is not part of police policy.

Shoot him in the leg? Serious? Why not just shoot the knife out of the perps hand?

Oh, by the way, warning shots are not permitted under police policy.
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[Bridget Staunton]

If I was in a fight for my life and I had a gun & knew how to use it I would fire. Feel very sorry for the cops they are trying to protect themselves (that being said I know there is a very small % of bad cops). If a criminal is out shooting at a cop the cop needs to take action to protect himself. He has a family to think about

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Why didn't the family commit him? I guess you could blame the family instead of the police for his death.

Or better still, you could blame society and government for NOT providing the budget for mental hospitals and mental health. Oh, but then the upper 10% would HAVE to PAY their FAIR share! We wouldn't want that, would we ????

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by NFRicaS

But if there are 4+ officers and the one with the mental issues has only a knife? Come on, NO EXCUSE for a shooting death...shoot in knee, use a taser, swing a billy club...whatever...and for God’s sake, have social workers in police departments...

So it's OK if only one or two of the officers get stabbed??????? When someone, mentally ill or not, is assaulting me with a knife, I DON'T WANT A SOCIAL WORKER!!!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

So, if someone is running away from the police, and won't stop when told to, and they get shot in the back, by the police...... just wonder what exactly the "threat" is. If someone is unarmed, what exactly is the "threat"? While I'm asking questions, when will some of you be able to grasp the concept that "defunding" means reallocating funds where it can be better used. It does not mean not paying and not providing police with everything they need.

The threat is that they will get away and harm someone if armed. If unarmed, there is less danger of that, but not zero. How about the perp obeys the commands of the LEO instead of running away??????

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

A lot of the people, especially black people, who have been shot/killed by police weren';t threatening anyone. In fact, some of them were running away from the police.

After doing WHAT?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kanoa1kale2

This is incorrect. The conceal carry classes and leos are trained to shoot till the threat is neutralized. They are trained to shoot for center mass in order to minimize the danger of shots missing and to maximize the impact on the system of the criminal. When the threat is neutralized, leos will administer care to the criminal till the EMT's get there. The general rule is if a suspect is within 21 feet of the leo, that suspect can cross the distance to do harm before the officer can draw and fire from his holster.

Then, by that same logic, if the person or officer ran away they COULD? keep a 22-foot separation from that attacker. Thus, buying time and maybe some back-up to defuse the situation.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Or better still, you could blame society and government for NOT providing the budget for mental hospitals and mental health. Oh, but then the upper 10% would HAVE to PAY their FAIR share! We wouldn't want that, would we ????

Let's see----
The top 1% of earners pay 38.5% of all taxes
The top 10% pay 70.1%
The top 50% pay 97%

(from taxfoundation.org)

Now, do you want mention the word "fair" again???????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

Serious? You obviously know NOTHING of police policy regarding confrontations with armed assailants. If I (as a police offer) ran from an armed assailant I would be severely reprimanded if not outright fired. Leaving the scene and allowing an armed assailant to threaten, injure, or perhaps kill an unarmed civilian is not part of police policy.

Shoot him in the leg? Serious? Why not just shoot the knife out of the perps hand?

Oh, by the way, warning shots are not permitted under police policy.
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Policies are man-made. So they CAN be changed. I understand that you have to go by the policy. The policy could be changed to run to keep a 22-foot distance and then re-evaluate. Maybe a rubber bullet gun would be nice to have. And use your radio for back-up. Maybe the attacker would get exhausted or be on drugs and just get bored or confused. If you see him reach to kill or take a hostage - then you have to shoot. But, if it is only him and you and plenty of room and no crowd near - then why not just try evasion. The military does not always hold ground just to hold ground, sometimes that do a strategic retreat. I am sure there are occasions where Police could and should retreat. I am saying that retreat is just ONE other possible strategy!

[Marine1974]

Would be interesting to know how many law enforcement have been shot or injured from bricks thrown at them during the same
period . Unfortunately mental health issues and
poverty are on the rise . People have increased
access to weapons illegally. Our society is increasingly violent. When I was discharged from the Marine Corps I didn’t have any motivation to own a weapon .

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Let's see----
The top 1% of earners pay 38.5% of all taxes
The top 10% pay 70.1%
The top 50% pay 97%

(from taxfoundation.org)

Now, do you want mention the word "fair" again???????

Yes, the tax system was fair in the 1950s, when it was actually progressive. Today it is practically a flat tax. And the wealth gap has increased so dramatically in recent years that a conservative Wall ST. hedge fund expert says that he expects some type of revolution by 2027. I can look up his name if you ask me. You KNOW deep down that this wealth disparity can't continue. You are a smart man, I can tell. A wealth disparity nation was not how the US was intended to be. WE have drifted there unconsciously. If you are around until 2027, might that affect yourself and your family? I hope not. It all revolves around the tax system. There, I told you more about "FAIR". I could go on and on and write a book on that subject.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Policies are man-made. So they CAN be changed. I understand that you have to go by the policy. The policy could be changed to run to keep a 22-foot distance and then re-evaluate. Maybe a rubber bullet gun would be nice to have. And use your radio for back-up. Maybe the attacker would get exhausted or be on drugs and just get bored or confused. If you see him reach to kill or take a hostage - then you have to shoot. But, if it is only him and you and plenty of room and no crowd near - then why not just try evasion. The military does not always hold ground just to hold ground, sometimes that do a strategic retreat. I am sure there are occasions where Police could and should retreat. I am saying that retreat is just ONE other possible strategy!

We (and you most of all) are very fortunate that you never became a law enforcement officer, you would have likely been killed in the line of duty in short order. I don't mean this as a personal attack, but your 'philosophy' on law enforcement would likely get you or someone else killed.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, the tax system was fair in the 1950s, when it was actually progressive. Today it is practically a flat tax. And the wealth gap has increased so dramatically in recent years that a conservative Wall ST. hedge fund expert says that he expects some type of revolution by 2027. I can look up his name if you ask me. You KNOW deep down that this wealth disparity can't continue. You are a smart man, I can tell. A wealth disparity nation was not how the US was intended to be. WE have drifted there unconsciously. If you are around until 2027, might that affect yourself and your family? I hope not. It all revolves around the tax system. There, I told you more about "FAIR". I could go on and on and write a book on that subject.

So can I assume proposing a flat 17% income tax would be wasting my time with you????

[Fredster]

After reading through this thread, to me it appears obvious, that no matter
how many facts or actual experiences are shared, some readers will only get a
distorted understanding because of the biased lenses
they view through!
I might add that in my concealed carry training It was stressed that to fire my weapon was a last resort to neutralize a threat, and it would only be seconds to make a decision.If I had to shoot, I don’t recall being told to wing’em or shoot ‘em in the leg, but I do remember “Shoot for center of body mass”.
Now in rifle training in the service, I can recall it being said that in times of combat it might be wise to shoot to injure an enemy combatant, since it might take two out of action the one you wounded and the one that carries him off the front lines!