[tommy steam]

Originally Posted by Hancle704

And I'm wondering why there has been little or no outcry about the murders and violence in Chicago from the same folks who are now demonstrating and threatening Federal Civil Rights Action.

This is a great post. I have wondered about this for a long time.

[bimmertl]

Originally Posted by Hancle704

And I'm wondering why there has been little or no outcry about the murders and violence in Chicago from the same folks who are now demonstrating and threatening Federal Civil Rights Action.

Al Sharpton Chicago-Bound: Civil Rights Activist Renting Apartment In City To Address Violence

[zonerboy]

Many people consider human life to be sacred, and thus it is wrong to intentionally take the life of another. Preserving one's own life (self defense) is the only permissible exception to this rule.
Most people who oppose abortion do so because they believe a fetus is a human being and thus has a right to life. To be consistent in such a belief one must also consider those convicted of crimes to be human beings, and thus capital punishment should also be considered as morally wrong.
I will not argue as to just when a fetus becomes a human being. That would be the subject of an entirely different post.
Nor am I expressing my own personal beliefs here. I'm merely proposing an explanation in response to the OP's "pondering".

[De Lis]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Al Sharpton Chicago-Bound: Civil Rights Activist Renting Apartment In City To Address Violence

Where in the heck has Al been for nearly the past decade?? The racial issue is big news now, so he's striking while he can.

However, I still ask WHERE HAS HE BEEN? 500 shot last year and he was no where around.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

It seems to me, and I could be wrong, i(it happened once before) that the same people who are so appalled that a child (Trayvon Martin) was killed are often the same people who favor abortion. I hope I will not be slammed for this comment because it is something I am sincerely pondering at this time. I just don't know what to think but it seems a pattern to me. Maybe I am wrong...maybe not.

yes Martin like us all is someone's child!
However it really smacks of spin of one kind or another to intentionally (maybe unintentionally?) refer to him as "...a child was killed...".

In my opinion it sets a false (intended or not) ambiance to the subject.

btk

[Suzi]

Can you explain to me why he is referred by the press or media to as: Travon or "a child" (endearing). George Zimmerman, on the other hand, is referred to as: a racist, a white hispanic or Zimmerman. So much is said without being spoken.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Protecting innocent babies that have absolutely no way of defending or speaking out and punishing those found guilty of knowingly committing heinous murders is the difference and an understandable reason to be against abortions for just birth control and yet be for the death penalty in certain cases.

We can t discuss politics and religion on this forum, I think abortion, which is th law of the land and not illegal, should also be banned from discussion.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by Suzi

Can you explain to me why he is referred by the press or media to as: Travon or "a child" (endearing). George Zimmerman, on the other hand, is referred to as: a racist, a white hispanic or Zimmerman. So much is said without being spoken.

Where I come from being 17 years old is still considered a child, or a young man. What's wrong with that.

[graciegirl]

AOL On - Zimmerman Apologizes to Martin Family

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by zonerboy

Many people consider human life to be sacred, and thus it is wrong to intentionally take the life of another. Preserving one's own life (self defense) is the only permissible exception to this rule.
Most people who oppose abortion do so because they believe a fetus is a human being and thus has a right to life. To be consistent in such a belief one must also consider those convicted of crimes to be human beings, and thus capital punishment should also be considered as morally wrong.
I will not argue as to just when a fetus becomes a human being. That would be the subject of an entirely different post.
Nor am I expressing my own personal beliefs here. I'm merely proposing an explanation in response to the OP's "pondering".

I agree. Also I wonder why some that oppose abortion think its okay to go out and murder doctors who perform abortions. No logic there if you really believe in the sanctity of life.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by Suzi

Can you explain to me why he is referred by the press or media to as: Travon or "a child" (endearing). George Zimmerman, on the other hand, is referred to as: a racist, a white hispanic or Zimmerman. So much is said without being spoken.

Because when the Martin's lawyers hired a PR firm to bring"awareness" way back before it went to trial, and after the Sanford PD did not press charges, they had to use the types of words & descriptions to inflame the public in order to motivate them to action of protests in the streets. They had to change the scenario of the facts of the true facts of self defense. One of those words- a "child" instead of "teenager". Why? When most people hear the word child, they picture a small, innocent child that can do no wrong. And so here we are today.... GZ being what is being labeled, a white (even though he's half Hispanic), racist (even though it's been proven he's not); and you have Martin being labeled a innocent child, (even though he was 17 and is far from innocent, with evidence to the fact that he was thrown out of school in Miami twice in 6mos, (that's how he ended up in Sanford at his father's girlfriend's apt. at Twin Lakes) for criminal activities by the Miami PD.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by tucson

Because when the Martin's lawyers hired a PR firm to bring"awareness" way back before it went to trial, and after the Sanford PD did not press charges, they had to use the types of words & descriptions to inflame the public in order to motivate them to action of protests in the streets. They had to change the scenario of the facts of the true facts of self defense. One of those words- a "child" instead of "teenager". Why? When most people hear the word child, they picture a small, innocent child that can do no wrong. And so here we are today.... GZ being what is being labeled, a white (even though he's half Hispanic), racist (even though it's been proven he's not); and you have Martin being labeled a innocent child, (even though he was 17 and is far from innocent, with evidence to the fact that he was thrown out of school in Miami twice in 6mos, (that's how he ended up in Sanford at his father's girlfriend's apt. at Twin Lakes) for criminal activities by the Miami PD.

Or it could just be that Florida law states that anyone under the age of 18 years old is considered a child. If posters have a problem with that definition, contact your local state representative to have the law changed.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I agree. Also I wonder why some that oppose abortion think its okay to go out and murder doctors who perform abortions. No logic there if you really believe in the sanctity of life.

I agree and something I "ponder" as well.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Monkei

We can t discuss politics and religion on this forum, I think abortion, which is th law of the land and not illegal, should also be banned from discussion.

I understand your reasoning but I do think it is sad that we cannot discuss things on which we disagree. If we can not put forth our ideas and thoughts, how will we ever understand each other? I wish we could discuss these things without such emotion and narrow minds. In my op I did not state a fact or even an an opinion. It was truly an idea that I was exploring. Unfortunately I do understand why it is best to not discuss these issues as many ugly and personal things get said in an anonymous forum. I just wish we did not have to always discuss only things on which we all agree.

Edit to this post...I reread my op and I guess I did offer an opinion. :-) but not an opinion that was not open to explore.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Or it could just be that Florida law states that anyone under the age of 18 years old is considered a child. If posters have a problem with that definition, contact your local state representative to have the law changed.

So, I'm glad that some "chidren" are being charged as adults.