[Monkei]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

It seems to me, and I could be wrong, i(it happened once before) that the same people who are so appalled that a child (Trayvon Martin) was killed are often the same people who favor abortion. I hope I will not be slammed for this comment because it is something I am sincerely pondering at this time. I just don't know what to think but it seems a pattern to me. Maybe I am wrong...maybe not.

I don't think you are wrong at all. I can add to your thoughts.

Those who support GZ usually favor no immigration reform.
Those who support GZ usually support no medical insurance reform.
Those who support GZ usually are not in favor of additional background checks for gun ownership.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I agree. Also I wonder why some that oppose abortion think its okay to go out and murder doctors who perform abortions. No logic there if you really believe in the sanctity of life.

Excellent. And those who are against right to choose who have nationally syndicated radio shows encourage listeners to commit murder of those doctors.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I agree. Also I wonder why some that oppose abortion think its okay to go out and murder doctors who perform abortions. No logic there if you really believe in the sanctity of life.

I agree.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I understand your reasoning but I do think it is sad that we cannot discuss things on which we disagree. If we can not put forth our ideas and thoughts, how will we ever understand each other? I wish we could discuss these things without such emotion and narrow minds. In my op I did not state a fact or even an an opinion. It was truly an idea that I was exploring. Unfortunately I do understand why it is best to not discuss these issues as many ugly and personal things get said in an anonymous forum. I just wish we did not have to always discuss only things on which we all agree.

Edit to this post...I reread my op and I guess I did offer an opinion. :-) but not an opinion that was not open to explore.

I can agree with you, this board should have a section where people can openly discuss politics, religion and other topics but still not result to name calling and bitterness.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

It seems to me, and I could be wrong, i(it happened once before) that the same people who are so appalled that a child (Trayvon Martin) was killed are often the same people who favor abortion. I hope I will not be slammed for this comment because it is something I am sincerely pondering at this time. I just don't know what to think but it seems a pattern to me. Maybe I am wrong...maybe not.

You are right, YOUR WRONG... I strongly support a woman's right to choose and still am saddened by TM's short lived life.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I don't think you are wrong at all. I can add to your thoughts.

Those who support GZ usually favor no immigration reform.
Those who support GZ usually support no medical insurance reform.
Those who support GZ usually are not in favor of additional background checks for gun ownership.

And these three plus the OP indicate to much macho and not enough heart and soul.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

It seems to me, and I could be wrong, i(it happened once before) that the same people who are so appalled that a child (Trayvon Martin) was killed are often the same people who favor abortion. I hope I will not be slammed for this comment because it is something I am sincerely pondering at this time. I just don't know what to think but it seems a pattern to me. Maybe I am wrong...maybe not.

I am against murder on any person, a person inside of the womb, and/or outside of the womb.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I can agree with you, this board should have a section where people can openly discuss politics, religion and other topics but still not result to name calling and bitterness.

There should be no name calling, period, regardless of the subject. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion. I don't agree with what everyone says, but I do agree with the right to say it. No person here is above the other and should be treated/act as such.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

And these three plus the OP indicate to much macho and not enough heart and soul.

Wow! That is a first! I have never been called macho before. Also have never been accused of not having enough heart and soul. My op was to indicate that both cases are very sad. How is that not having enough heart and soul?

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by dillywho

There should be no name calling, period, regardless of the subject. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion. I don't agree with what everyone says, but I do agree with the right to say it. No person here is above the other and should be treated/act as such.

I guess anonymity causes us to forget our manners and these are real people to whom we are responding.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I guess anonymity causes us to forget our manners and these are real people to whom we are responding.

Very true.

[Suzi]

Originally Posted by Suzi

Can you explain to me why he is referred by the press or media to as: Travon or "a child" (endearing). George Zimmerman, on the other hand, is referred to as: a racist, a white hispanic or Zimmerman. So much is said without being spoken.

The thrust of my post was that Travon is called by his first name or a child. Zimmerman is NEVER called by his first name - only derogatory names or his last name.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

Wow! That is a first! I have never been called macho before. Also have never been accused of not having enough heart and soul. My op was to indicate that both cases are very sad. How is that not having enough heart and soul?

Attempting to compare murder of a young man to abortion is a stretch and insensitive to mothers of both categories. Please go back and read the other three examples.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Attempting to compare murder of a young man to abortion is a stretch and insensitive to mothers of both categories. Please go back and read the other three examples.

Perhaps it a stretch to you but not to me. I respect your opinion as you should mine. I have not said I am right and you are wrong nor have I made reference to what kind of person you are because I don't know, just as you don't know me. I have not tried to change your mind or insist your mind needs to be changed.

I wish we (all of us on TOTV) could express thoughts and ideas without having to be right or wrong. I wish we could express thoughts without having to convince someone we are right and they are wrong.

I wish we did not judge people that we do not know...not just on this forum but in other areas of our life as well.

So, your points are well taken.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

Perhaps it a stretch to you but not to me. I respect your opinion as you should mine. I have not said I am right and you are wrong nor have I made reference to what kind of person you are because I don't know, just as you don't know me. I have not tried to change your mind or insist your mind needs to be changed.

I wish we (all of us on TOTV) could express thoughts and ideas without having to be right or wrong. I wish we could express thoughts without having to convince someone we are right and they are wrong.

I wish we did not judge people that we do not know...not just on this forum but in other areas of our life as well.

So, your points are well taken.

When I voice my opinion about your opinion, I am not judging you, just stating a differing view. If you support the opinion of the pro life movement, that is judging. My position is that if they are wrong to abort a fetus, they will be judged in the end, but we do not have the right to judge them. I respect the right of anyone to believe abortion is murder, but I also respect the right of woman to decide on that issue for themselves without interference of any kind from radical fringe groups. Referring to them as murders is a judgement and not simply an opinion. If one believes a murder is about to happen or has been committed, it is the responsibility of all of us to contact the police and report it.
The police will inform you that is not against the law, and murder is against the law in all 50 states. So, in closing, Ido respect your opinion, please respect mine. Amen...