[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Ok.... If these kids parents are any indication of what a valued education is supposed to look like.....with that type of commentary....obviously not much!

Other than the empirical measure of SAT ?

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

Other than the empirical measure of SAT ?

I know many like to regurgitate on here....if you read all of my posts on this thread....my opinion on SAT....is well documented. Feel free to read them and all the others if you have the time.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

Other than the empirical measure of SAT ?

You like to cherry pick posts....instead of posting in its entirety so all can see context. It’s an epidemic on this forum

My ‘quote’ was referring to and in the context of ignorant parents making comments about parenting habits of private school parents vs public school parents.

[justjim]

As mentioned in this Thread only about 1% of those who play sports make it to the professional sport level or D1 level. What about the other 99%? In some respect, aren’t we creating an artificial expectation in relying on sports for future income and employment for these students? Having said that, being able to play at the high school level does keep some in
School that otherwise might dropout.
Education is associated with lower poverty rates.

When a country has an educated workforce it tends to be more productive thus increasing the GDP of the country. As Joe Friday use to say “sorry, they’re just the facts.”

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

My point is/was D1 sports brings in more REVENUE than the academic departments that I listed.

Here is what you wrote :

.college sports are the economic engine for most D1 colleges/universities.....not the Sci Tech, Biology and History buildings on said campuses.

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That is what you wrote but nice job trying to backtrack. An economic engine is not something that runs in the red. Buildings obviously don't produce revenue. If you wish to discuss whether D1 Sci/Tech and Biology departments produce income and actual profit for those D1 schools we can do that. I will concede that the buildings don't.

The overwhelming majority of D1 schools are state schools so trying to make some tangential argument that OSU is a state school is meaningless.

Analysis: Who is winning in the high-revenue world of college sports? | PBS NewsHour
"In 2019, only 25 of 130 schools in the high-grossing Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) whose members are large, mostly public universities (with some exceptions such as Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Stanford) reported positive net revenues"

An economic engine is not something that loses money. As far as what departments bring in the most revenue... if that is your criteria for being an economic engine, sports is a tiny fraction of the income compared with health care delivery.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by blueash

Here is what you wrote :

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That is what you wrote but nice job trying to backtrack. An economic engine is not something that runs in the red. Buildings obviously don't produce revenue. If you wish to discuss whether D1 Sci/Tech and Biology departments produce income and actual profit for those D1 schools we can do that. I will concede that the buildings don't.

The overwhelming majority of D1 schools are state schools so trying to make some tangential argument that OSU is a state school is meaningless.

Analysis: Who is winning in the high-revenue world of college sports? | PBS NewsHour
"In 2019, only 25 of 130 schools in the high-grossing Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) whose members are large, mostly public universities (with some exceptions such as Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Stanford) reported positive net revenues"

An economic engine is not something that loses money. As far as what departments bring in the most revenue... if that is your criteria for being an economic engine, sports is a tiny fraction of the income compared with health care delivery.

No backtracking.....doubling down. Again, other than the taxpayer.....at what i’ll concede is the larger, successful, state D1 programs. If you want to go down every other line item for every other academic dept as to receipts, awards, or finds....that’s for another thread. The ‘economic engine’ is not just the revenue discussed but the undisclosed and untold millions that those events, tv deals and exposure do for the universities as a whole. You don’t get it....right or wrong on priority, they’re not spending millions to see a Lego project or a lava volcano project. They’re renting cars, eating at restaurants and buying tickets to games that national media wants to cover. By doing so, at least on that Saturday, your campus is the center of the universe to millions. Everybody benefits. You may not like it....but it’s a fact!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

No backtracking.....doubling down. Again, other than the taxpayer.....at what i’ll concede is the larger, successful, state D1 programs. If you want to go down every other line item for every other academic dept as to receipts, awards, or finds....that’s for another thread. The ‘economic engine’ is not just the revenue discussed but the undisclosed and untold millions that those events, tv deals and exposure do for the universities as a whole. You don’t get it....right or wrong on priority, they’re not spending millions to see a Lego project or a lava volcano project. They’re renting cars, eating at restaurants and buying tickets to games that national media wants to cover. By doing so, at least on that Saturday, your campus is the center of the universe to millions. Everybody benefits. You may not like it....but it’s a fact!

I'm not going to get in the middle of this debate, however, I would like to point out that the physics departments of major universities might be studying supersymmetry, M string theory or loop quantum gravity but not playing with Legos or lava volcano models.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by justjim

Now we are going to pay High School kids to play sports. Most States, including Florida, will allow High School athletes to get paid for “their name, image and likeness”. Professional players can make as much as 700 million playing baseball. Some get over 100 million for batting 250/260. 400 million if you are a reasonable good golfer and play for LIV. College level sports will allow you to get payed and the best players are gravitating to the Big Conferences with the best players. The Olympics, the epitome of amateur sports, are professionals now. Well, I could go on but you get the picture. Is a “sports bubble” being created? Are sports more important than education?

Should eventually (once it gets going) be able to lower the high school graduation rate even more than the present, shameful, percentage (Villages High School is better than national average). Will turn some desperate/greedy parents from nurturing to ruthless task masters in pursuit of wealth. Just look at what parents have done to minors in relation to "reality" TV. One more step down the path of destroying the family structure, support, nurturing.... one more step down the Road to Serfdom (economist Friedrich Hayek) ? A culture is destroyed by thousands of TINY steps ! Don't see this helping our deteriorating system of free public education. Just one opinion !

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm not going to get in the middle of this debate, however, I would like to point out that the physics departments of major universities might be studying supersymmetry, M string theory or loop quantum gravity but not playing with Legos or lava volcano models.

There is a LEGO lab at a prominent Boston area University...but the volcano project I inserted to lighten the moment Doc! But point taken !

[crilemd]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE....WAS THE SAME IN MY MEDICAL SCHOOL...CLASS OF '60...
IT WILL ONLY WORSEN...
Crile Doscher MD

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

You like to cherry pick posts....instead of posting in its entirety so all can see context. It’s an epidemic on this forum

My ‘quote’ was referring to and in the context of ignorant parents making comments about parenting habits of private school parents vs public school parents.

Being identified as ignorant puts me in good company

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

Being identified as ignorant puts me in good company

Identifying a problem is the first step to correcting one!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by crilemd

ABSOLUTELY TRUE....WAS THE SAME IN MY MEDICAL SCHOOL...CLASS OF '60...
IT WILL ONLY WORSEN...
Crile Doscher MD

The really, REALLY sad part is that there is so much more complexity and material to master now than in my class of 1984, which in turn was probably much more than in 1960. We need smarter, not dumber candidates, judged by qualifications and NOT demographics.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The really, REALLY sad part is that there is so much more complexity and material to master now than in my class of 1984, which in turn was probably much more than in 1960. We need smarter, not dumber candidates, judged by qualifications and NOT demographics.

Can I ask the question of both of you... was the practice of medicine easier from 1960 to the 1980's? In terms of colleagues that you worked with having those qualifications as you mention....but the administrative side as well (ie ; overcrowding, insurance mandates and processing, staffing in general etc)

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by justjim

Now we are going to pay High School kids to play sports. Most States, including Florida, will allow High School athletes to get paid for “their name, image and likeness”. Professional players can make as much as 700 million playing baseball. Some get over 100 million for batting 250/260. 400 million if you are a reasonable good golfer and play for LIV. College level sports will allow you to get payed and the best players are gravitating to the Big Conferences with the best players. The Olympics, the epitome of amateur sports, are professionals now. Well, I could go on but you get the picture. Is a “sports bubble” being created? Are sports more important than education?

I don’t blame players, finely they get little money for making schools/districts richer.

Sports bubble going to break eventually when working class can’t afford to go.


Well, yes as long they win in football which is jackpot pays for all other sports In college. Just ask football coaches what they make compared to PhD. Professor.

Some colleges are switching conferences just to play football were the big bucks are with TV contracts.

Collage about collages making money it always has been. If student graduated with degree in field you can actually get job in now it’s big win. especially if got go for free Or government paid off student loans. After all it’s working stiffs that need to pay for higher education.