[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I've seen a couple of yelling, shoving, incidents here in TV (mostly on/near the course) and yet in none of them was the person shoved...such a scared little pansy that they pulled a gun and killed the other guy.


Those who are stretching so far as to try and make this minor/single shoving incident, into justifiable homicide..must be really insecure wussies.

Name calling again? As NONE of us has all of the facts (don't "facts matter"?), WE can't determine if the shooting is justified or not. Again, it is the police and the prosecutors who will make that determination. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether the shooting is justified or not, however attempts to demean people for their opinion is juvenile at best.

By the by, this was by NO mean a "minor" shoving, albeit it was a single shoving incident. Yes, the victim did not appear to end up with severe head trauma from cracking their skull on the concrete, but any time someone is violently shoved to the ground, the risk of injury and sever trauma is high.

[billethkid]

Does anybody actually think the pusher intended to do away with the life of the man on the ground?

The justification of the shooting offered to date are mere speculation.....influenced or not by the various slanted media reports......edited as usual to suit their purpose or position.

Second, third or further removed speculatin, manipulation offerings.......at best!

[l2ridehd]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

After he was pushed to floor, no further aggresive move was made towards the shooter. There was no need to draw the pistol or shoot. The man may have got away with murder. I hope the review puts the shooter in court. JMO.

How do you know that? Without being there we are all just guessing. You may be correct or you may be wrong. Maybe the guy was telling his girlfriend to hand him the tire iron. Or get my gun or hand me my knife, or maybe nothing. We don't know. Maybe the shooter was the problem. Nobody knows, that is why it is being investigated. On the surface it looks like both over reacted. The guy on the ground was assaulted. That is a fact. The guy on the ground shot the guy who assaulted him. That is a fact. Beyond that we don't know much but speculation.

[Inexes@aol.com]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Most young people are less racist than some old people. Some young people are less racist than some old people. All young people are younger than all old people. Anyone who judges a whole group of people and gives them all the characteristics of a few is short sighted.

Are old people stupid or wise? The answer is some are both and some are neither and some are both in certain situations and some few are neither in all situations. Does decades of living and surviving health issues and loss of loved ones and financial hardships give information to some that others have not yet encountered? The answer is sometimes.

When some people are bigoted toward older people do some older people assume that they have had a bad situation with older relatives and friends? Most people think well of most older people and treat them respectfully and kindly. Most older people think well of most younger people and treat them respectfully and kindly.

When there is hatred, we can read it between the lines and feel it in the emoji's and the unwritten attitude of the writer. .

I believe all of us prejudge sometimes. Most try to be kind. Some hardly ever try to be kind. Some use rhetoric to mask hatred and perhaps those people have issues not easily seen or understood by others. I think being kind to someone until they have proven to be damn ornery is the key to happiness.

[Dynsol]

Stupid is as Stupids Do!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Inexes@aol.com

I will clarify. What I was trying to say is...……... Don't mess with old people.


And don't try to teach a pig how to read, it doesn't work and it annoys the pig.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

Name calling again? As NONE of us has all of the facts (don't "facts matter"?), WE can't determine if the shooting is justified or not. Again, it is the police and the prosecutors who will make that determination. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether the shooting is justified or not, however attempts to demean people for their opinion is juvenile at best.

By the by, this was by NO mean a "minor" shoving, albeit it was a single shoving incident. Yes, the victim did not appear to end up with severe head trauma from cracking their skull on the concrete, but any time someone is violently shoved to the ground, the risk of injury and sever trauma is high.

Ohhh the hypocrisy.


As to the "facts," a known instigator got shoved to the ground after a boyfriend stuck up for his GF, who was being verbally confronted by a known instigator constantly looking for a fight and the insecure, wussie, 'hero wannabe'...killed him in cold blood for it.

The stretching being made to try and justify, what any reasonable and decent person can see with their own eyes was a homicide...is simply deplorable.


Dem's da facts.

[John_W]

The person who was shot would still be alive if he had done two things. First, if he had not parked in a handicap spot and second, he had not laid his hands on another person. Both actions were against the law.

[stan the man]

Originally Posted by John_W

The person who was shot would still be alive if he had done two things. First, if he had not parked in a handicap spot and second, he had not laid his hands on another person. Both actions were against the law.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by John_W

The person who was shot would still be alive if he had done two things. First, if he had not parked in a handicap spot and second, he had not laid his hands on another person. Both actions were against the law.

Are you frigging serious?

Parking in a handicap spot, is in any way some kind of justification...for the guy verbally assaulting the driver?

Why didn't the killer, who has obviously been looking for a fight...just call the cops instead?

Does this also mean that you wouldn't stand up for your wife/GF...if some stranger was verbally assaulting her?

Like I said previously, I would bet big money that if the woman had shot the bully because she felt her life was threatened from his confrontation...a whole lot of people would be singing a different tune.

Whereas at least I would be consistent in saying...THAT would have been unjustified also.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Inexes@aol.com

[tomwed]

Street Smart varies from place to place.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

How do you know that? Without being there we are all just guessing. You may be correct or you may be wrong. Maybe the guy was telling his girlfriend to hand him the tire iron. Or get my gun or hand me my knife, or maybe nothing. We don't know. Maybe the shooter was the problem. Nobody knows, that is why it is being investigated. On the surface it looks like both over reacted. The guy on the ground was assaulted. That is a fact. The guy on the ground shot the guy who assaulted him. That is a fact. Beyond that we don't know much but speculation.

After the initial push, there was no forward aggressive move from the man who was shot. The man on floor had the opportunity to withdraw from the scene. Whatever verbals continued after the initial push, still does not justify the use of lethal force.
No way was that a life threatening stuation the shooter was in, when he fired that shot.
If he gets away with this, it practicly means any disagreement where a party gets a push, a smack round the ear, the victim can blow the other parties brains out with impunity!
JMO.

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

If he gets away with this, it practicly means any disagreement where a party gets a push, a smack round the ear, the victim can blow the other parties brains out with impunity!
JMO.

You mean it doesn’t?

Okay, I’ve tried to keep silent but just not in me. So, here’s my take. The shooter always wanted to shoot someone — past actions and words show that. Sadly, SYG gives people like him the right to shoot, even though he started the confrontation. Did he truly fear for his life? I doubt it but I also doubt there is any way to prove he didn’t. Ultimately, he got away with murder and how the rest of the world feels about it is irrelevant. It is the law in this state.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

You mean it doesn’t?

Okay, I’ve tried to keep silent but just not in me. So, here’s my take. The shooter always wanted to shoot someone — past actions and words show that. Sadly, SYG gives people like him the right to shoot, even though he started the confrontation. Did he truly fear for his life? I doubt it but I also doubt there is any way to prove he didn’t. Ultimately, he got away with murder and how the rest of the world feels about it is irrelevant. It is the law in this state.

This is similar to a much publicized and discussed case a few years ago. I felt that the shooter had the right at the time but since that time I now feel he was a jerk who was looking to shoot. However, I also felt the victim was probably up to something and his juvenile record was sealed so we will never know if he was a nice guy or a thug. No one should be killed if they aren't trying to hurt or harm another badly . I know you have a gun, Red, as you have discussed it on this forum and we G's do not have guns although we are great fans of the second amendment.... And we sit across the aisle from each other politically. I hope you know I recognize you as a smart cookie and a sage person although you used to rearrange my trash when you visited.