[Nucky]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Colin Kaepernick jersey sales soar in week since protest - NY Daily News

People are buying them to burn them. Winter is coming you know. You know what would take gut's would be to wear a Jersey from this clown to a N.Y. Jet game. I believe several fans may have something to say to them.

[Bonny]

Let's not lose site of one thing, "freedom of speech" !!
Yes, I agree it's disrespectful to stay seated, but it's not against the law. We all have a right to our opinion and so does he whether we like it or not. He will pay the price for his decisions.
I always stand for the National Anthem and The Pledge. A lot of people stand for God Bless The USA. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I don't.
I also see people standing for Neil Diamond's Coming To America. I only do if I'm dancing.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Let's not lose site of one thing, "freedom of speech" !!

Yes, I agree it's disrespectful to stay seated, but it's not against the law. We all have a right to our opinion and so does he whether we like it or not. He will pay the price for his decisions.

I always stand for the National Anthem and The Pledge. A lot of people stand for God Bless The USA. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I don't.

I also see people standing for Neil Diamond's Coming To America. I only do if I'm dancing.

I will not stand for anything but our National Anthem and the Pledge. I also think it's disgusting and disrespectful to clap and cheer after our National Anthem is played. You are to remain silent at the finish, then sit. Only the truly ignorant do otherwise.

[ColdNoMore]

While I have always stood for our national anthem, something I wasn't aware of prior to this controversy is the wording of the third (I think it's the third) verse.

Since I'm on my phone, trying to find it and pasting is a pain...so maybe someone could do it?

If what I've read is correct, it states killing runaway slaves is not only fine...but encouraged.

Are there really folks who DON'T find this reprehensible?

And unlike some, I couldn't be more proud of our President for acknowledging that we ALL have the SAME rights...not just the rights/people we like.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

While I have always stood for our national anthem, something I wasn't aware of prior to this controversy is the wording of the third (I think it's the third) verse.

Since I'm on my phone, trying to find it and pasting is a pain...so maybe someone could do it?

If what I've read is correct, it states killing runaway slaves is not only fine...but encouraged.

Are there really folks who DON'T find this reprehensible?

And unlike some, I couldn't be more proud of our President for acknowledging that we ALL have the SAME rights...not just the rights/people we like.

Looking for reason to disrespect our National Anthem is your right. Words were written by Francis Scott Key and here they are; America's National Anthem (All 4 Verses)

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[graciegirl]

Our national anthem became our National Anthem only in 1931, and the third verse does talk of hireling and slave but they were those employed by the British side. Francis Scott Key was in fact a slave owner. So were many of the people who signed the Constitution.

No one I know today would think of owning another human being. That was our history and it went along with the world's history. That was then, this is now. Laws are in place for people to make a go of it in this country regardless of race.

I have stood proudly for this song as long as I can remember, as a first grader, a girl scout leader and neice of veterans that fought in the second world war. For as long as I can remember I have put my hand over my heart and blinked back tears when the Star Spangled Banner was played.

Here is an argument that supports Coldnomore's view, but not mine. I am troubled by people who are encouraging division and I am afraid we might see another civil war.

Francis Scott Key Owned Slaves, Fought Abolitionists

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

I will not stand for anything but our National Anthem and the Pledge. I also think it's disgusting and disrespectful to clap and cheer after our National Anthem is played. You are to remain silent at the finish, then sit. Only the truly ignorant do otherwise.

Never go to a Blackhawks home game. The crescendo at the end is a tradition. And having been there no disrespect is meant. Watch this and tell me if you're not moved to stand and sing along.


Pre Game - Jim Cornelison Sings Anthem. Game #7 WCSF: Detroit Vs Chicago. May 29th 2013. (HD) - YouTube

[HMLRHT1]

Normandy, that is false. He has not converted to being a Muslim and he did not do what he did because of religion. Check out Snopes before you spread more lies about people.

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by normandy

49'S QUATERBACK COLIN KAEPENICK ALWAYS STOOD UP FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM UNTIL HIS GIRLFRIEND[ HIP-HOP RADIO PERSONALITY DJ NESSA DIAB], A BERKELEY GRAD. OUTSPOKEN BLACK LIVES MATTER ADVOCATE AND A MUSLIN. SHE&KAEPERNICK GOT ENGAGED THIS SUMMER AND HAD HIM CONVERT TO ISLAM TOO AND COLIN IS NOW A MUSLIN TOO. NOT FOR WHAT HE IS SAYING, BUT FOR HER.

This pretty much tells you where his mind is. Regarding my freedom of speech; unless he publically disavows his new religion's radical Muslim terrorism, and admits that the Black Lives Matter organization is ignoring the issue of daily Black on Black murdres (Ex: Chicago and other major cities) his freedom of speech opinion lacks creditability.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Never go to a Blackhawks home game. The crescendo at the end is a tradition. And having been there no disrespect is meant. Watch this and tell me if you're not moved to stand and sing along.


Pre Game - Jim Cornelison Sings Anthem. Game #7 WCSF: Detroit Vs Chicago. May 29th 2013. (HD) - YouTube

Whomever is singing our anthem is NOT entertaining us, he or she is leading us in song. For that reason and that reason only it is not appropriate to clap or cheer.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Looking for reason to disrespect our National Anthem is your right.

Since as I stated I always stand during the national anthem, I'm certainly not "looking for reason to disrespect our National Anthem."

I'm simply stating facts, instead of conveniently cherry picking which lyrics to embrace...and which ones to ignore.

I've always chosen to know the whole story and to hear all sides...instead of just the one that I prefer to be true

And ignoring these lyrics are your right.

Ditto for you on these lyrics.

Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery

So when Key penned “No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,” he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who’d freed themselves. His perspective may have been affected by the fact he owned several slaves himself.

I personally will continue to stand for the national anthem, but I will also continue to support a persons right not to do so.

THAT'S the American way.

[Nucky]

So today I see that this piece of garbage has infected the minds of a college and high school student football player as they took a knee during Our National Anthem. Just fantastic keep up the good work. These children don't even have a clue what's going on they are so impressionable and this guy is their role model. Thankfully they are not my kids. Their rites stop at our front door. Damn this is so upsetting!

[ronsroni]

I am with you, standing or sitting.
Sadly, far too many born and raised AMERICANS cannot explain the Pledge to you let alone a K thru 8 schoolkid. I remember feeling forced to stand and say this "ditty" for reasons I didn't understand until High School. (much like Latin prayers in Catholic school. Slapped if not learned. I made my dad take me out) We did it but never really knew why.
Then it became MY choice to stand or not. I stood. I chose to stand. Did I recite the pledge? Choice.
I make no judgement regarding someone not standing. Choice.
It makes us no less American not to follow the crowd or agree with a definition of respect.
Not knowing what miles were walked in ones shoes tells me not to judge.
The CHOICE keeps America great, always.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I would stand for any countries National Anthem, but not for patriotic songs.
They will be standing for Springsteens, Born in the USA next.

They already do.....nobody sits at a Springsteen Concert....

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

I will not stand for anything but our National Anthem and the Pledge. I also think it's disgusting and disrespectful to clap and cheer after our National Anthem is played. You are to remain silent at the finish, then sit. Only the truly ignorant do otherwise.

I always cheer and clap along with everyone. I don't see anything disrespectful about that.
I never heard anyone say you are to remain silent then sit.