[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm pretty sure the renaming of neither the city nor the reputation had nothing to do with the communist ideology or being woke (which Stalin wasn't). The renaming had everything to do with the rejection of who the man actually was and what he actually did/ordered, ///

Though not Russian, my mother was a school teacher who had to teach about “our father Stalin” and my father had to work under the communist woke regime directly. They were right there. We actually lived it. Sort of like saying to a person standing in the middle of the pool, they are not really wet.

[ElDiabloJoe]

What else has been changed? Siam? Shanghai? Ceylon? Burma? Swaziland? Persia? Holland? New Amsterdam? Bombay? Saigon?

No matter what else happens in this world, there is at least this one universal concept: No matter what you call it, no matter how much one despises it, no matter how much one pretends it does not occur, this one thing is true: "To The Victor Go The Spoils."

If the crazies in Seattle succeeded in long-term holding of their unsanctioned spaces, they would have the spoils of the space, the name of the space, the governance of the space, and existence. All spoils. There are examples all over, even if one eschews them.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Though not Russian, my mother was a school teacher who had to teach about “our father Stalin” and my father had to work under the communist woke regime directly. They were right there. We actually lived it. Sort of like saying to a person standing in the middle of the pool, they are not really wet.

Did Communism end in Russia after Stalin or does it still exist today? If it still exists today then renaming Stalingrad had little to do with Communism.

Most people using "woke" as a pejorative have no idea what the term means. It is beyond the scope of this thread but I suspect you and I different definitions for the term and how/where it should be applied.

While you and your parents were standing in the middle of the pool was it the communism, the "woke" (whatever that means to you), or the brutality that made it wet?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

The math: The Gulf of Mexico was named as such in 1552. The landmass known as Texas was part of Mexico.

Texas didn't become a state until the 1800's, after the Texan-Mexican war.

In the 1550's, Florida was inhabited by indigenous peoples, and Ponce de Leon, from SPAIN, came and brought assorted diseases with him. Florida didn't become a state until the 1800's.

The Gulf of Mexico was the Gulf of Mexico for 300 years BEFORE Texas and Florida became states. Another 150 years, totaling 450 years (give or take) until the US government thought it'd be a great idea to change its name.

My opinion - when the USA is the USA for more years than the Gulf has been the Gulf of Mexico, then maybe America will have earned the right to change its name. The gulf has only occupied the edges of the US since the mid-1800's, and that's less than 200 years. So get back to me in 250 years and we can talk about what I will call it then. Until then, it is, and has been, the Gulf of Mexico.

[phousel]

Stupid of the company! Their sales have been "through the roof!
Kudos to their marketing department.

[oldtimes]

So we went from Sydney Sweeney to the Gulf of Margaritaville.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Did Communism end in Russia after Stalin or does it still exist today? If it still exists today then renaming Stalingrad had little to do with Communism.

Most people using "woke" as a pejorative have no idea what the term means. It is beyond the scope of this thread but I suspect you and I different definitions for the term and how/where it should be applied.

While you and your parents were standing in the middle of the pool was it the communism, the "woke" (whatever that means to you), or the brutality that made it wet?

Well, actually the Communist think they invented what we call “woke” here in the US except they took it much further. I can give examples from who they put as university presidents (hint they had no schooling) to empowerment of women (taking young children from their homes and families, housing them together - so mother could work) all driven by the ideology. The wealthy were not taxed, everything they had; home, land was taken from them and made “public” which meant it went to members of the party. And much, much more. And, by the way, if you disagreed you were executed, sometimes made into mince meat. My mother had to actually teach her young students, who were called “Pioneers” from grade 1, to report their parent (if they still lived at home) if a parent said anything against the party. This is not fiction. I know you must find these things hard to believe, and you’d really like to be able to explain it away, but my family actually lived it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

Grasping at straws?
It has been the Gulf of Mexico since the 16th century. History and tradition! Not just my opinion. Recognized globally as the Gulf of Mexico. Trying to change the name is, imo, just silly.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Grasping at straws?
It has been the Gulf of Mexico since the 16th century. History and tradition! Not just my opinion. Recognized globally as the Gulf of Mexico. Trying to change the name is, imo, just silly.

It will probably be put back to how it was. I do not want to get political though.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

So we went from Sydney Sweeney to the Gulf of Margaritaville.

Margaritaville? Sounds like an old guy missed his mark in the bar men's room. Again.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Beyoncé’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN Beyonce’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN


Not sure what ad you are talking about.

The where Beyoncé goes into a laundromat to wash her jeans that she is wearing
Look it up on YouTube

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The ad absolutely does imply that she looks pretty in her jeans because of her genes.

And whether the ad will sell more jeans or not, it has certainly turned some people away.

So which part is "Bull?"

Yet AE stock is way up. Some store have lines to get in... Go figure...

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby

the math: The gulf of mexico was named as such in 1552. The landmass known as texas was part of mexico.

Texas didn't become a state until the 1800's, after the texan-mexican war.

In the 1550's, florida was inhabited by indigenous peoples, and ponce de leon, from spain, came and brought assorted diseases with him. Florida didn't become a state until the 1800's.

The gulf of mexico was the gulf of mexico for 300 years before texas and florida became states. Another 150 years, totaling 450 years (give or take) until the us government thought it'd be a great idea to change its name.

My opinion - when the usa is the usa for more years than the gulf has been the gulf of mexico, then maybe america will have earned the right to change its name. The gulf has only occupied the edges of the us since the mid-1800's, and that's less than 200 years. So get back to me in 250 years and we can talk about what i will call it then. Until then, it is, and has been, the gulf of mexico.

so a naming ceremony 600 years ago attended by a few invading and murderous conquistadores supercedes the right of an american president to rename our own territorial waters to honor our nation? I don't think so . That privilege was earned for the president by the sacrifices of our nation's dead and wounded in the cause of world peace.
The U S. Navy has fought and won in 2 world wars and today it's 16 ballistic missile submarines patrol the world's oceans with their over 2500 strategic nuclear warheads to keep the world free and safe from evil people. America has been called the arsenal of democracy, not mexico

america has lost patriots in ww1, 2, korea, vietnam, gulf and iraq wars
not mexico

america has lost over 72,135 american naval personnel in ww2 fighting for freedom on the world's seas
not mexico

even today america's navy patrols the oceans to preserve the right of navigation for all countries to sail upon
not mexico

the blood and sacrifice of us navy patriots alone justifies the presidents order to rename the gulf to honor american exceptionalism.
The order to rename it the gulf of america is in effect for all U S. Citizens even those who don't like it.

You can have a watch party for 250 years if you so desire as history dustbin awaits.

I'll party now

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

so a naming ceremony 600 years ago attended by a few invading and murderous conquistadores supercedes the right of an american president to rename our own territorial waters to honor our nation? I don't think so . That privilege was earned for the president by the sacrifices of our nation's dead and wounded in the cause of world peace.
The U S. Navy has fought and won in 2 world wars and today it's 16 ballistic missile submarines patrol the world's oceans with their over 2500 strategic nuclear warheads to keep the world free and safe from evil people. America has been called the arsenal of democracy, not mexico

america has lost patriots in ww1, 2, korea, vietnam, gulf and iraq wars
not mexico

america has lost over 72,135 american naval personnel in ww2 fighting for freedom on the world's seas
not mexico

even today america's navy patrols the oceans to preserve the right of navigation for all countries to sail upon
not mexico

the blood and sacrifice of us navy patriots alone justifies the presidents order to rename the gulf to honor american exceptionalism.
The order to rename it the gulf of america is in effect for all U S. Citizens even those who don't like it.

You can have a watch party for 250 years if you so desire as history dustbin awaits.

I'll party now

Nice story BUT, as we all know the name came from someone who was definitely NOT a veteran.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

The where Beyoncé goes into a laundromat to wash her jeans that she is wearing
Look it up on YouTube

Not about your post.
Your tag line, "Living is easy with eyes closed". I think it's not true. I tried it and I kept tripping over things. Living, imo, is much easier and better with eyes open.