[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I do not understand the leeway in "What should be taught". in history, teach history. Algebra, Algebra. Can you help me understand what you mean with parents controlling what should be taught? Thanks

You need to watch a different tv channel!

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

You need to watch a different tv channel!

You must be responding to the wrong post. I asked the poster of a prior comment a specific question concerning the post and you insert yourself by telling me to watch a different channel. I guess when you have no answer and feel you absolutely just must say something, post a meme or say something nonsensical.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Whitley

You must be responding to the wrong post. I asked the poster of a prior comment a specific question concerning the post and you insert yourself by telling me to watch a different channel. I guess when you have no answer and feel you absolutely just must say something, post a meme or say something nonsensical.

When you ask a question on a board such as this you will get more than comments from one poster.

Since you apparently are incapable of using a search engine, I will offer just a taste of the craziness that is going on in education.

One parent can object to a particular book or topic of discussion and all students are stopped from hearing or reading what is proposed.

Elimination of our history is being proposed and accomplished every day, sometimes because a child might be uncomfortable hearing that there was slavery in the US, why not? They should feel uncomfortable to have understanding and empathy....
Teachers have/are been put in the position of not knowing what they can or cannot teach. Vague rules/laws can lead to their dismissal.
For what is worth do a search on what teachers can or cannot teach........................

The Fight to Ban Books - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Here are 50 books Texas parents want banned from school libraries (nbcnews.com)

'Parents' Bill of Rights' Underscores Furor Over Curriculum and Transparency in Schools (edweek.org)

Tennessee parents say lesson plan make students 'feel discomfort' because they're White. They say a new law backs them up-- | CNN

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Whitley

To those speaking out against vouchers, how many generations of children are they willing to write off. This hurts especially poc and other under represented people, whose parents may not be able to afford a home in a good zip code with a good school. For over fifty years it was "we need the money to stay in the failing schools budget to make it better". Would you sacrifice your childs education on a promise of a future improvement. An improvement that has not been realized many generations later. No more condemning children to failing schools because of the neighborhood their folks can afford.

The failing schools are failing because they're underfunded. Poor people can't afford to TRANSPORT their children to private schools, which don't provide bus service. Poor people don't live within walking distance of good schools. Some kids don't live in walking distance to any school, but because of the PUBLIC school system, their right to free education means the system has to provide the transportation for them. As long as they're attending the public school. "Invitation-only" or "qualification only" schools such as charter schools and magnet schools, and private schools, don't have to provide free transportation for those students. Poor people can't afford to pay for that transportation.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You see how Bogie Shooter and I are agreeing about this topic, and not taking pot-shots at each other? It's because we're right. Just sayin...

[Woodbear]

Our NY school district was way OVER-Funded. Spending per student is $24,930/year. The district’s minority enrollment is 30%. Also, 34.2% of students are economically disadvantaged. A good portion of those students are Seneca Indians that can choose from multiple districts to be educated. Middle School proficiency in Math is at 36% and Reading is at 29%. The BEST private school located roughly 30 minutes from our home spends less per student.

Two-thirds of the students could not read or do math at their age level, but they have extra time to attend the Alphabet Fruit Loop crowd with Queer Club. For my two children, I would have taken their $49,800 and spent it way better than our local School Board did.

Homeschooling sounds better every day. Especially in S-Hole states like NY

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Once upon a time teachers unions #1 priority was the kids they taught. These days too many unions care mostly about themselves especially in NYC which cannot get rid of teachers who have no business being near children. They have a building full of teachers on their payroll who sit and read books all day while getting paid their salary.

Perhaps if NY held their teachers to a certain standard they could get rid of useless ones and pay good teachers a better salary.

Here is the problem, teachers are offered tenure to compensate for their lack of salary.
The general public would have a fit if they had to pay a decent salary to a teacher.
So political negotiators offer tenure instead.
Tenure should be removed from all contracts and teachers should be held to their job performance, but the public should be aware that comes at a cost. You can't have it both ways.

[Kelevision]

I’m curious if TV school will be able to open. Look at all the open teaching spots. The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Active Adult 55+ Retirement Community

[Bay Kid]

I wouldn't want to be a teacher in this day and time except maybe up thru the 5th grade. Kids have no respect and they know the teachers can't do anything to them.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

I’m curious if TV school will be able to open. Look at all the open teaching spots. The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Active Adult 55+ Retirement Community

They put a lot of information about the job and the educational requirements - but they don’t mention the salary. Anyone have an idea of how much they pay??

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

It appears that the USA is facing a teacher shortage in the near future.

I was not a teacher but for my classmates that went into teaching, it always seemed like a nice career. You weren’t going to get rich teaching but very few of us got rich - most of us ended up middle class.

Work hard the first few years to get the lectures down and then you have to just update them. Most of them enjoyed life - not a lot of pressure and summers off. They seemed happy and they felt like they were making the world better.

Education was once the No. 1 major for college students. Now it's an afterthought. - CBS News

As a teacher of 35 years, you don’t know very much. Teaching was my love. I worked hard. I changed my ‘lectures’ every year. They needed to be updated. We changed books every 4 years- ‘lectures’ changed. Pressure was constant. Grades given were analyzed, scrutinized and you were told that the class average was not good enough. Do something about it. Summers were spent taking classes (I have 2 Masters degrees for that) improving and learning new techniques to teach. Evenings and weekends were spent grading papers, entering the info into the computer, adjusting the next day’s lesson plan because of the things I learned grading papers, etc. I even took work with me on planes on vacation and worked on vacation sometimes. I got paid well, but not all teachers did/do. A lot are underpaid, a lot are not appreciated and they work hard to provide good education.
I am not surprised there is a shortage anywhere, and there is currently a shortage. It is here. When you can graduate college, get a job that pays $70-80,000/year, why would you want to be a teacher and get paid $30-40,000 a year? Yes, you have more free time in the summer, but that’s not the thing that draws people to a profession.
Would I change a thing? No. I loved the classroom, the students, seeing the spark when the students ‘got it’! It’s a very rewarding career.

[firefighter4u]

My wife just retired from teaching elementary for 30 years in Western NY. Corrupt administration, welfare parents, and students who lack civility are pushing good teachers out. Covid rules were a disaster for education. Kids come to school hungry because the parents use their money for drugs and alcohol. Kids fall asleep during the day because the parents are up all night partying. Kids come to school dirty because they lack running water. Teachers are spending more time doing social work instead of actual education. The stories I could tell would blow your mind. Education starts at home and there is no safe home life for these poor kids, they don't have a chance.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's the kids and the education systems as a whole. Federal funding spent by states on "private school" vouchers means less funding in areas where parents can't afford to send their kids to private schools. I'm talking about transportation. Poor folks who live in cities, generally don't have money for transportation for their kids to go to school every day. Poor folks who live in super-rural areas, like the mountains, don't have money for transportation to get their kids to some private or charter school, the closest of which is a 2-hour walk from home.

Public schools are underfunded in both urban and rural areas, and vouchers don't help these kids AT ALL. So you end up with fewer teachers, who will get paid less, have to put up with more red tape, higher risk of actual death, just to do what they love doing - teach kids. There's no incentive for teachers to teach at rural and urban public schools anymore.

Once upon a time the unions were strong enough to ensure that the towns secured a healthy pension and health benefits package for tenured teachers upon retirement. My mom is the recipient of one of those. She taught full-time kindergarten-3rd grade for 35 years. Anyone who thinks she got all summer off, all vacations off, half-days for parent-teacher conferences, etc - has obviously never been a public school teacher. I know what she did, because I was her kid who she took with her to college for her 6th year degree, her Masters degree, her yearly mandatory summer seminar classes (at her own expense), and washed the dishes while she graded papers after suppertime every weeknight.

I'm the kid who spent a week before the end of summer break, and two days before the end of winter break, with mom in the classroom helping her decorate for the next semester and making sure all the supply cabinets were replenished.

Back then, the schools gave her a classroom budget to work with. She'd spend the money and be reimbursed a month later after submitting the receipts and paperwork.

Now, public schools don't have that option. You want your classroom pretty, then make it pretty. Just leave the school budget out of it. Many public schools in underfunded areas have been like this for decades, and it's getting worse and worse every year.

You don’t need to go to a shiny new school to get a good public education. You don’t need new books. What you need is a school full of kids who want to learn and are willing to learn, rather than spending their days trying to avoiding learning. You need kids who don’t talk back, who don’t disrupt class, who don’t think they are funny, who do their homework and want to know more. You need parents who support education, not just sports. Parents who make sure their kids not only do their homework but make sure they understand it all. Parents who restrict cell phone usage to emergency calls. Parents who insist that their kids stay home and study after supper. Parents who can get up and pack their kids a lunch every day. Parents who turn off the television and music and sit at the kitchen table with their kids and help them. Parents who always have interesting things to talk about during dinner. Parents are the major reason why their kids don’t learn. Teachers can work as hard as they can, but they won’t generally succeed unless the parents actively parent their kids. I hate to say this, but garbage in, garbage out. Plenty of high school kids should skip school and go straight to the pen or the tattoo parlor. Throwing $13,000 per kid per year at a school won’t lead to a good education. Charter schools are not the answer if the lousy kids can get in. Parochial schools are not the answer unless they can weed out the troublemakers. What they show is that probably 90% of kids in schools today are improperly parented and are wasting the taxpayer’s money.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Singerlady

I worked hard. I changed my ‘lectures’ every year. They needed to be updated. We changed books every 4 years- ‘lectures’ changed.

It depends on the subject matter but in my experience, the vast majority of my grade school and high school teachers did not change lectures every year.

If you are teaching high school algebra or geometry or biology or chemistry do you change the lectures every year? Do the facts change every year?

Same with grade school reading, grammar, arithmetic, US history (you might want to add significant events from past year).

I can’t think of a subject that I took in school where the teachers couldn’t use the same lectures year after year.

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

It appears that the USA is facing a teacher shortage in the near future.

I was not a teacher but for my classmates that went into teaching, it always seemed like a nice career. You weren’t going to get rich teaching but very few of us got rich - most of us ended up middle class.

Work hard the first few years to get the lectures down and then you have to just update them. Most of them enjoyed life - not a lot of pressure and summers off. They seemed happy and they felt like they were making the world better.

Education was once the No. 1 major for college students. Now it's an afterthought. - CBS News

This is not surprising with the lack of paying teachers a decent salary, especially in Southern States, lack of gun laws, and now banning of books and how and what to teach. Who in their right mind would want to be a teacher? I am a retired teacher - 34 years!