[Nucky]

Will someone propose a wager?

I bet that the Cybertruck will still be built.

Wanna bet a couple of Maine Lobsters?

[Brad-tv]

Originally Posted by Nucky

Will someone propose a wager?

I bet that the Cybertruck will still be built.

Wanna bet a couple of Maine Lobsters?

I know you’ll win that bet they just dropped billions on the plant in Texas just to build the truck .With over a million pre orders!!
If it wasn’t so big I would consider it but it’s a beast.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jdulej

Hopefully. It is money well spent IMO. Keep America on the leading edge of technology

No, it keeps Musk's wallet well filled.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

That $4.9 BILLION in federal support kinda guarantees success doesn't it

Musk defends receiving $4.9 billion in government support for Tesla, SolarCity and SpaceX — RT USA News

You are linking a story written in 2015 by website well known for a particular political agenda, which doesn't make it wrong.

RT (formerly Russia Today) is a Russian state-controlled[1] international television network funded by the federal tax budget of the Russian government. It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic, and Russian.

So if you want Putin's input on a topic, RT news is your website.

Maybe if you want to trash Musk, at least find a more recent record of his benefits received and value created. And maybe a source that is not Putin propaganda

On top of that you even got what the RT story says wrong. Your claim that he got 4.9 billion in Federal benefits is NOT what the story reports. The overwhelming number of tax breaks came from state and local governments. Putin source, and mislead on what was said.

[Brad-tv]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

No, it keeps Musk's wallet well filled.

He’s broke
All his money is in stock and he lives in a shoebox on-site

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by blueash

You are linking a story written in 2015 by website well known for a particular political agenda, which doesn't make it wrong.


So if you want Putin's input on a topic, RT news is your website.

Maybe if you want to trash Musk, at least find a more recent record of his benefits received and value created. And maybe a source that is not Putin propaganda

On top of that you even got what the RT story says wrong. Your claim that he got 4.9 billion in Federal benefits is NOT what the story reports. The overwhelming number of tax breaks came from state and local governments. Putin source, and mislead on what was said.

Did you follow the link to the Los Angeles Times in the RT article where the story was originated? No you didn't, you were only trying to make it sound like a Putin generated fake news.

What difference does it make if it is federal, state or local tax money????? It's still $4.9 Billion.

Added: After more thought on this topic. What difference does it make if the article is from 2015, does it make it less truthful? That $4.9 Billion was worth a lot more then than now.
The government should not be giving tax money to private businesses. If it takes public money subsidies for a business to succeed then they have a failed business plan.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Nucky

Cybertruck Page GOES DARK on Prices & Configurations - YouTube

It is definitely Jacked Up the way they do business but like so many times on our forum, we have jumped to conclusion's let's give them a minute to see what really happens. I think good news is coming not anything bad. Time will tell.

Maybe time for a new Avatar!

Do you really think the can compete with Ford lightning. Other than look at me I got Tesla truck.

[tophcfa]

Wow, never saw a picture of the Cybertruck. That is one strange looking thing. It certainly does not look anything like a pickup truck. No one will ever catch me driving one of those things.

[Luggage]

Has learned well from Microsoft and PT Barnum to over promise and under deliver until such time as he decides to actually manufacture. No car or truck by an American manufacturer has taken less than four or five years to actually get out of the plant. Even the Japanese take at least 3 years. And somehow I think it's always 10 or 50% more than what they promise. The model 3 has gone up significantly in price and musk is promising a $25,000 car which will probably be $35,000 by the time they start producing

[DaleDivine]

Here's an interesting article I copied from FB. Probably not a lot of truth in it. BUTTT, something to think about:

REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."
"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!

[biker1]

You charge a Tesla on a circuit with between 15 amps at 120V and 50 amp or 60 amps at 240V at home. The higher the amperage the faster the charging. You can choose to charge at a lower amperage if you want to from the touch screen control in the car. The statement that 75 amps is required is simply not true. Regarding the cost of charging, electricity is approximately 13 cents per kWh here, at home. It is approximately 24 cents per kWh at a Tesla supercharger, varies by location. The cost for electricity that you quoted is not representative of anywhere I know. The highest electricity rates in the US are in Hawaii at about 27 cents per kWh. Regarding the Chevy Volt, you do not have to charge it if you elect not to. You can simply choose to run on gas all the time and you would choose to do so on a road trip so there would not be any charging time.

Buy an electric car or don’t, nobody cares. But please don’t make up stuff or repost stuff that is either not true or grossly misleading/not representative.

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

Here's an interesting article I copied from FB. Probably not a lot of truth in it. BUTTT, something to think about:

REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."
"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!

[Windguy]

Tesla, like other companies, is having supply shortages due to COVID-19. There simply is not enough supply of chips and other parts to expand their product line now. Cybertruck is not going away—it is just on hold.

But let’s not miss a chance to bash Musk and his companies. The fossil-fuel industry thanks you.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Do you really think the can compete with Ford lightning. Other than look at me I got Tesla truck.

I agree with you. The EV F150 will be the real game changer for the pickup truck world. You will see the Tesla trucks buzzing around Austin and Silicon Valley

[Brad-tv]

Originally Posted by jdulej

I agree with you. The EV F150 will be the real game changer for the pickup truck world. You will see the Tesla trucks buzzing around Austin and Silicon Valley

I think it’s the other way around there’s only 130,000 f150s on reserve/preordered and 1.3 million cyber trucks reserved/ preordered that’s a 10x difference. Granted you only put a small deposit down and it’s refunded if you change your mind (at least for Tesla, not sure about Ford ) . And Tesla has been making EVs for about 10years and is the world leader in ev . Ford has a lot of catching up to do and a lot of hurdles to clear . I like both companies and lean more towards a f150 way down the road. I’m happy all these ice vehicles will stop being made one day (way down the road) and driving a ev is a dream .
Jim Farley is great and a visionary but light years behind Elon

[merrymini]

I own a Tesla and no problems with charging. Anyway, the Volt is no longer being made. I own a Prius which gets over 50 miles to the gallon, my third Prius. Tried to get a plug in but cannot find them. That kind of car, runs on electric with gas back up is the best for the transition of ice to electric and cannot understand why, at least with the Prius, they do not make more of them.