[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Yeah, they go for the low hanging fruit...

The docs are always on the hook... For everything...

And as I said before, I've served on multiple hospital committees. I've seen, first hand, the arguments over "correct" diagnoses...

Might I ask in what capacity????

[drstevens]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Go to The COVID Blog - Official blog of COVID Legal USA. Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences. Stay Vigilant. Some don't do so well!

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I realize you must have worked in medical billing/coding at a hospital and therefore tend to blame all coding irregularities on the physicians. However, with a 20% premium on the DRG cohort at stake, if you don't think the word went out to medical staffs at every hospital in the country to add COVID as a diagnosis, even if only suspected, then you are living in Fantasyland.

No, not records/coding. Risk & Compliance. We weren't talking about all coding irregularities though, we were discussing specifically a covid dx. Exaggerations only muddy the waters. I'm sure word did go out to the medical staff reminding them to include the dx when supported, 20% x the several hundred covid + patients treated at my little 300 bed hospital is a freaking significant amount of money. But if you're asking me to believe that in general, administrators expected the medical staff to add a covid dx, deserved or not, to realize that 20%, afraid I'll have to pass. But let's just say that did happen, it is entirely up to the physician to "obey". It is entirely up to the physician to enter documentation to support that covid dx. If the dx is undeserved but the support is documented anyhow, that's fraud on behalf of the documenting physician. If the dx is added but not supported by documentation it won't be billed for. And here I thought this was a respectful conversation, I'm sorry you felt the need to attempt to belittle me with your "Fantasyland" comment. Too bad.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Might I ask in what capacity????

As one of the docs on staff at the hospital...

I was on the OR Committee, Credentials Committee, Dept of Surgery Committee, (I'm sure I'm missing one...) over my 33+ year tenure...

Now, I just tend to my own practice and leave all of that to the younger docs... I'm preparing my exit strategy, so I can move to TV full time...

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

No, not records/coding. Risk & Compliance. We weren't talking about all coding irregularities though, we were discussing specifically a covid dx. Exaggerations only muddy the waters. I'm sure word did go out to the medical staff reminding them to include the dx when supported, 20% x the several hundred covid + patients treated at my little 300 bed hospital is a freaking significant amount of money. But if you're asking me to believe that in general, administrators expected the medical staff to add a covid dx, deserved or not, to realize that 20%, afraid I'll have to pass. But let's just say that did happen, it is entirely up to the physician to "obey". It is entirely up to the physician to enter documentation to support that covid dx. If the dx is undeserved but the support is documented anyhow, that's fraud on behalf of the documenting physician. If the dx is added but not supported by documentation it won't be billed for. And here I thought this was a respectful conversation, I'm sorry you felt the need to attempt to belittle me with your "Fantasyland" comment. Too bad.

Not "belittling" you at all. It was a conditional statement (preceded by if). And we agreed, that the word went out, if only as a reminder, not to encourage fraud. Very respectful intent

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

As one of the docs on staff at the hospital...

I was on the OR Committee, Credentials Committee, Dept of Surgery Committee, (I'm sure I'm missing one...) over my 33+ year tenure...

Now, I just tend to my own practice and leave all of that to the younger docs... I'm preparing my exit strategy, so I can move to TV full time...

So a surgeon, ? subspecialty.
And yes, hospital committees can drive you nuts

I "exited" 6 years ago, I thought I would miss it, but quality of life full time in TV is so much better, especially in the era of 7 digit ICDM-10 codes, nitpicking documentation and dealing with families that come in with google print outs that I don't miss it at all

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So a surgeon, ? subspecialty.
And yes, hospital committees can drive you nuts

I "exited" 6 years ago, I thought I would miss it, but quality of life full time in TV is so much better, especially in the era of 7 digit ICDM-10 codes, nitpicking documentation and dealing with families that come in with google print outs that I don't miss it at all

Podiatric Medicine & Surgery...

And I cannot wait "not to miss it"... Currently trying to sell my practice... 3 years left on my lease... I hope to practice another 12-18 months... But if whomever buys me out wants me to leave sooner, I'll be gone in a flash!

Although I have had a FL license since 1984, I doubt I'll ever use it, since I'd only want to work part time and my malpractice insurance would eat up anything I'd earn...

[Nick B]

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

How can you be happy without dear leader only HE ALONE could have solved this.

[Altavia]

So two question for the experts here:

Do any other viral infections result in similar long term effects?

Is there any evidence of similar effects from the vaccine?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe.

Here is the byline from the article cited:

By Dennis Thompson
HealthDay Reporter

Hardly a bastion of medical science, even though the article also appeared on WebMD.

Also note the so called symptoms are fatigue and brain fog
I just have to wonder how many developed "fatigue and brain fog" when asked to give up their "pay for staying home" and return to work.

Yes, I know that is somewhat cynical, but I can't imagine it doesn't happen.

Then again, it may be 100% correct----we just don't know, and therefore the subject will be a target for extreme ideas.

Many people enjoy going to work and NEED the socialization there afforded. And MANY have career goals that they want to continue without interruption. Plus most people are honest and can be trusted and therefore believed.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

I would imagine 1/3 or more had long term medical problems long before Covid? I’m guessing Covid didn’t remedy any and probably made symptoms worse?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

My neighbor is still experiencing effects from the virus.
Not sure of the definition of "long-term"...............but he is coming up on a year.
He was the picture of good health & fitness.

I would consider one year "long term". Life long would be more of a chronic condition, I would imagine. I have not heard that life long term YET but that just may in our future when they learn more about the ravaging of the virus on the body.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

I assume you are directing this response to the original poster who is me. You may want to include a quote when directing comments to someone so there is no question about it.

Fear and despair will disappear once a person is vaccinated, (in most cases anyway if you truly believe in the science). Believe me, I'm living proof. It is a good idea for people to be aware of what this virus is capable of. Burying your head in the sand is not the way to live in this world today. If you don't want to broaden your horizons, then please. do not click on the threads that discuss a pandemic that we are currently combating as a nation.

I enjoy the discussion and listening to all sorts of different POVs. Some I find amusing and many others I research to see just how valid those views may be. I find this time in our lives to be extremely compelling. If you prefer not to discuss the subject, by all means, do not click on the threads. Your choice.....to click or not to click.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

Way to go GE!!!!!!!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No. It's a description of the pharmacokinetics of the vaccine (AVD, metabolism, excretion, tissue penetration, etc.). It does not address anything clinical at all. Looks like it might be information that Pfizer pharmacists and molecular geneticists put out as part of their bid to get full FDA approval (although I doubt the radioimmunoflourescence study in 6 rats will pass the committee

I just LOVE to listen to you "talk" although I have to look up some of those words you use.