[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

And we also have teens having heart problems AFTER getting the shot (not a vaccine). So, it is reasonable for someone to make the decision to steer clear of the shot.

I don't think that is resonable.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Well, keep in mind that after the human trials (on most of the US population and much of the world) are finished, you can always decide to get the shot if that's what you want. However, if you get the shot now and find out later (when the trials are done) that there is a major downside, you can't "un-get" it.
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By the way, it has been determined now that I had COVID-19 in February 2020 (anti-body test). My experience was a short flu-like event; fever for 2-3 days. Did not lose smell / taste. No lasting effects of any kind. Apparently, my wife was also infected but had no symptoms then or later. So, while the FDA / CDC / NIH / blah blah blah will not say that survivors continue to have immunity, I think the fact that I have been around many infected people over the last 16 months speaks for itself. Spent 6 hours in a car with my wife's sister (who we later learned was infected at the time) and did not get re-infected ourselves. I'm quite sure we are immune. I'm 64, wife is 60.

And, I don't give any weight to the "asymptomatic spreader" message. The common flu and common cold can also be acquired from someone without symptoms; and, yes, the common flu can and does KILL every year. I never got the annual flu shot and never ever got the flu. I also don't remember anyone ever pressuring me to get a flu shot or trying to guilt me into doing so "for others"; or calling me selfish for not getting a flu shot. It's just nonsense. Look around at all the people who got the shot and still think they are at risk from this thing - they wear masks while alone in the car; they insist others get the shot when they themselves are theoretically protected; they worry about wearing a mask (themselves & others); they won't get on a cruise ship unless every plays by their rules; they are indoctrinated. I refuse to be indoctrinated.

To paraphrase one of my favorite people: "If you are vaccinated, act like it".

The Flu has NOT killed over 600,000 people in a year.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Not totally disagreeing with you , BUT how do you know this information if the virus has only been around for such a short time? How would children develop "holes in the heart" so fast? I am not an expert, so I would be very interested in how you determined this major piece of information.
Sounds like an "Urban Legend" to me.

Holes in the lungs. Hearts are enlarged. You misread.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Holes in the lungs. Hearts are enlarged. You misread.

He may have misread, but I certainly didn't. I'd still like to know what "a hole in the lung" is, how it relates to COVID, and how it is "well known"

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And recent studies show that the current vaccines are just as effective against the DELTA variant...

Did you know that?

That would contradict the fact that I saw on normal TV that the Delta variant is MORE contagious than the prime US variant and affects children more. I seem to remember hearing that our vaccines are 60% effective against Delta. And what you said contradicts the fact that Great Britain is considering suspending their "open everything up" strategy to one of moderate quarantine.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Those videos that you show are CHILDISH!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Yet you insist on arguing with those who have studied it A LOT...

I was saying that THEY needed to study it more closely, NOT myself. Take your time and read more closely and not just to confirm your predetermined opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That whole rant is so far off base that I'm not even going to bother to respond. Chiropractors fill a need between doctors and nurses?????? You didn't seriously state that? Oops, I responded (a little bit)

It is economically obvious. If chiropractors did NOT fill a need no one would pay them and they would cease to exist. I could accuse you of elitism but that would be TOO EASY. And I don't want to go all middle school with insults. PLEASE! Chiropractors fill a void between nurses and doctors for many MILLIONS of people through the years. I doubt that they would insult you, as you did them?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is economically obvious. If chiropractors did NOT fill a need no one would pay them and they would cease to exist. I could accuse you of elitism but that would be TOO EASY. And I don't want to go all middle school with insults. PLEASE! Chiropractors fill a void between nurses and doctors for many MILLIONS of people through the years. I doubt that they would insult you, as you did them?

OK, it must be time for medical organization education class.

IF there is a void between nurses and doctors, it is filled by nurse practitioners and physician assistants.

The only void chiropractors fill are between the first and second sounds out of a duck's mouth

And I'm still waiting to find out what "a hole in the lung" is

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Holes in the lungs????? Just what is a "hole in the lung"???? And that is "well known"??? In what universe?

A perforation........does that seem more impressive than "holes". I am just relaying information that I heard on normal, well-trusted by-normal-people TV. You look it up - you have more access to Medical journals than I do. I did NOT say that I was a lung EXPERT.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm sure that's true of the population in general. However, when you get down to the patients that are complaining of subjective symptoms and "can't work", you are down to a few legitimate cases and a whole bunch who are looking for secondary gain. I've been through this game a thousand times.

And you know so much more than anyone else!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A perforation........does that seem more impressive than "holes". I am just relaying information that I heard on normal, well-trusted by-normal-people TV. You look it up - you have more access to Medical journals than I do. I did NOT say that I was a lung EXPERT.

Well, that much is obvious

"normal, well-trusted by-normal-people TV"-----I have no idea where to find that

Perhaps they were talking about pneumothoraces caused by a rupture of a small bleb, but I haven't seen where that could be caused by COVID. Now, if a COVID victim required mechanical ventilation, that would be a common cause of spontaneous pneumothorax. As far as the heart goes, there are a few reports of post-COVID cardiomyopathies, mostly in children

PS: I only use the big words with you to force you to look them up

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And you know so much more than anyone else!

As far as medical knowledge goes, not "anyone" else, just most people, and that certainly includes you. How many patients claiming a disability have you seen? OK, wait for it..........that would be zero.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Thanks but NO thanks. I will concede your obvious medical terminology superiority - if you will CONCEDE that I have NO reason to LIE, when I say that what I said about hearts and lungs - I got from conventional, well-respected TV channels. It was on more than once.

I never thought you were "lying" I'm sure you heard it somewhere (unless you were the original researcher, which somehow I doubt)

The heart part makes a little sense, for a limited number of mostly children.
The "hole in the lung" makes no sense whatsoever, so whatever "normal" TV station watched by "normal" people you got that from needs to review/edit their content much better.

PS: I'm willing to bet real money that the TV stations and commentators you consider "normal" are people I would consider left wingnuts.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, you ARE leading in insults. But a middle school kid would be beating you like a drum.

I very much doubt either of those statements are true