[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

And both seemed to be treated fairly in their criminal trials. In neither cases did the prosecution prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

This Trayvon Martin matter though looks a lot more complicated than either the OJ Simpson Case or the Casey Anthony cases because of the very real impact of the issue of race relations into it as well as national politics with this being an election year.

The only wrinkle here is if Zimmerman is tried and acquitted; be prepared for the riots. It a good excuse to get some new threads and some flat screen tv's.

[billethkid]

while this may be more true than some of us would like to think:

"...very real impact of the issue of race relations into it as well as national politics with this being an election year...."

it has nothing to do with the eyes of justice.

I get increasingly concerned when the real issues of life and death are measured by public opinion or race or politics instead of the courts.

Even the if then statements like if aquitted, then unrest/etc.

We have gone so many years without having to watch what is said and done by whom, about what or how they said it or who did what.
I am glad I came through life when I did with most all of it satisfied by measuring what somebody did/said/didn't do or say against RIGHT OR WRONG.

I think America was stronger for it.

Today's insatiable need to satisfy special interest groups, minority groups (including race), and just about anybody who raised their hand for just about anything they don't like have watered America's values to a point where there is no clear distinction between right and wrong....just what makes the one's with their hand up happy. Or if you happen to be a politician make those who would vote for you happy....RIGHT or WRONG.

We may have advanced with all the new technology of the day. But the real core values continue their steady decline.....driven by the special interest groups and minorities (race included)....while the majority gets dragged down in quality of life as a result.

In my very humble opinion.

btk

[buggyone]

The US Attorney General is not in charge of local police activities such as Sanford, Florida. If the New Black Panthers are breaking the law, it would be up to the local police or state police to take care of the incident.

There have also been reports of armed Neo-Nazis on patrol in Sanford to "protect" white people. That cannot lead to anything good, either.

I read that the special investigator has decided not to put Zimmerman in front of a grand jury. Sounds like a mistake to me but time will tell. If there was enough evidence to indict with a grand jury, the charges could be made. If not enough evidence, the case could be closed.

In any case, Zimmerman definitely made the mistake of his life when he disobeyed the police operator and followed Martin that night. He and his family definitely will have to leave the area and take different names for their own safety after his stupid action. I am not saying Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter but of stupidity for his actions of following Martin that night while armed.

I believe Figmo has said in previous posts on other topics that anyone who has a CCW permit should be prepared to pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees if they ever shoot anyone in any situation.

This is just another reason that I say carrying a firearm is foolish.

[paulandjean]

This is crazy"Neo-Nazis in Sanford protecting white people" What if they do not want to be protected by them. This is the Deep South,more like KKK stirring up trouble.And everyone knows they are the worst on this planet.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by buggyone

The US Attorney General is not in charge of local police activities such as Sanford, Florida. If the New Black Panthers are breaking the law, it would be up to the local police or state police to take care of the incident.

Unless the actions of the Black Panther Party, as in the "bounty", combined with their bullhorn shouted rhetoric rise to the level of a "hate crime".

Some could argue they're already apparently guilty of that.

New Black Panthers Call Violent Race War For Trayvon Martin Protest: We Have To Spill The Blood of White Devils

Report: New Black Panther Party Issues ‘Wanted Dead or Alive’ Poster for George Zimmerman | Video | TheBlaze.com

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Just from watching the news last night and based on a gut feeling, it sounds like Zimmerman will be arrested soon. George Zimmerman seeks donations on his new website - CBS News

This is a great opportunity for all the George Zimmerman supporters on this forum to contribute to his defence. He's also looking for donations for his living expenses. Hopefully, Seminole County will soon provide a roof over his head and three squares a day.

[manaboutown]

My concern is that the mainstream media regularly misrepresents situations, some times surreptitiously, sometimes blatantly. Unfortunately this particular matter was injected with racial overtones and implications from a deliberate falsehood aired by NBC. By removing the 911 dispatcher's question about Martin's apparent race, if known, NBC made it appear Zimmerman volunteered Martin's race whereas he was asked it. In any case, wouldn't the police want as good a description as possible in order to find Martin who had by then disappeared from Zimmerman's sight? If Martin had appeared to have been white would it not have been helpful to the police to know that?

NBC News President Insists Zimmerman Edit 'Not a Deliberate Act to Misrepresent' | NewsBusters.org

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

And both seemed to be treated fairly in their criminal trials. In neither cases did the prosecution prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

This Trayvon Martin matter though looks a lot more complicated than either the OJ Simpson Case or the Casey Anthony cases because of the very real impact of the issue of race relations into it as well as national politics with this being an election year.

what is so complicated? Zimmerman says that he shot Martin in self-defense. Those are the facts.

Unless there are other facts that can be proven it was a simple case of self-defense.

Again, what is so complicated?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by janmcn

This is a great opportunity for all the George Zimmerman supporters on this forum to contribute to his defence. He's also looking for donations for his living expenses. Hopefully, Seminole County will soon provide a roof over his head and three squares a day.

They will probably have to go to the most rural area of Alaska though to find a jury pool not tainted by all the press of the Trayvon Martin matter.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by buggyone

The US Attorney General is not in charge of local police activities such as Sanford, Florida. If the New Black Panthers are breaking the law, it would be up to the local police or state police to take care of the incident.

There have also been reports of armed Neo-Nazis on patrol in Sanford to "protect" white people. That cannot lead to anything good, either.

I read that the special investigator has decided not to put Zimmerman in front of a grand jury. Sounds like a mistake to me but time will tell. If there was enough evidence to indict with a grand jury, the charges could be made. If not enough evidence, the case could be closed.

In any case, Zimmerman definitely made the mistake of his life when he disobeyed the police operator and followed Martin that night. He and his family definitely will have to leave the area and take different names for their own safety after his stupid action. I am not saying Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter but of stupidity for his actions of following Martin that night while armed.

I believe Figmo has said in previous posts on other topics that anyone who has a CCW permit should be prepared to pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees if they ever shoot anyone in any situation.

This is just another reason that I say carrying a firearm is foolish.

the reason for the castle law and the stand your ground law is to protect an honest citizen who acted in self-defense from being punished by confiscatory legal fees and lawsuits. That takes some of the silliness out of protecting yourself.

It sounds like your solution would be to let the holdup man take my money or let the lawyers take my money. Either way I don't think that I want you for a friend.

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by janmcn

This is a great opportunity for all the George Zimmerman supporters on this forum to contribute to his defence. He's also looking for donations for his living expenses. Hopefully, Seminole County will soon provide a roof over his head and three squares a day.

I haven't seen any posts here by George Zimmerman supporters. Others and myself have simply criticized:
1. The media for its one-sided reporting of the incident (see, e.g., the NBC doctored tape, use of Martin's childhood picture juxtaposed against Zimmerman's old mug shot from a 2005 arrest, almost no mention of Martin's history of getting in trouble, the NY Times editorial characterizing the shooting as "cold blooded");
2. Posters such as yourself for calling for Zimmerman's arrest on the basis of the incomplete public information now available; and
3. Racial demagogues, such as Sharpton and Jackson for inciting unrest and hatred on the basis of the same incomplete information.

The basic fact remains that, so far, the people with access to all the available facts have determined that there is not even the probable cause necessary to arrest Zimmerman, much less evidence sufficient to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe the new investigation will determine otherwise, but if so, the press, people like yourself, and the racial demagogues have now cast a shadow over any outcome except an arrest.

What I can't understand is: Why are you so insistent, based upon what you actually know at this point, on convicting Zimmerman? Is it just your gut feeling that he is guilty, because so far, the public facts do not support your position?

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by CMANN

what is so complicated? Zimmerman says that he shot Martin in self-defense. Those are the facts.

Unless there are other facts that can be proven it was a simple case of self-defense.

Again, what is so complicated?

There was nothing so complicated about it... then, unfortunately enters racial, political and even journalistic activism. Remember the now famous quotation?... "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste!" Those elements don't really care for justice to take it's proper due course. They just want to exercise that quoted concept to achieve whatever their hidden agenda is and to h*** with the cost or whomever it may hurt! The cost part of that last statement has already been openly and directly expressed already on this forum. I wonder if it will now also be expressed, "who cares who gets hurt!"

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Advogado

I haven't seen any posts here by George Zimmerman supporters. Others and myself have simply criticized:
1. The media for its one-sided reporting of the incident (see, e.g., the NBC doctored tape, use of Martin's childhood picture juxtaposed against Zimmerman's old mug shot from a 2005 arrest, almost no mention of Martin's history of getting in trouble, the NY Times editorial characterizing the shooting as "cold blooded");
2. Posters such as yourself for calling for Zimmerman's arrest on the basis of the incomplete public information now available; and
3. Racial demagogues, such as Sharpton and Jackson for inciting unrest and hatred on the basis of the same incomplete information.

The basic fact remains that, so far, the people with access to all the available facts have determined that there is not even the probable cause necessary to arrest Zimmerman, much less evidence sufficient to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe the new investigation will determine otherwise, but if so, the press, people like yourself, and the racial demagogues have now cast a shadow over any outcome except an arrest.

What I can't understand is: Why are you so insistent, based upon what you actually know at this point, on convicting Zimmerman? Is it just your gut feeling that he is guilty, because so far, the public facts do not support your position?

Now, this is an example, IMHO, of an excellent response. Well done. I don't know if I've formally said welcome to Talk of the Villages to you; but welcome to TOTV. Very fair and accurate post.

[paulandjean]

Two 17 year olds on the ground fighting, The one on top punching,the one on the bottom pulls out a gun and shoots and kills the other teenager ????

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by paulandjean

Two 17 year olds on the ground fighting, The one on top punching,the one on the bottom pulls out a gun and shoots and kills the other teenager ????

The story told is that Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk. If someone was doing that to me and I was armed; the end result would probably be the same.