[xNYer]

But what is the effect on society if the police treat black people differently. Dressing a certain way is a behavioral decision, the color of one's skin is not.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

The man was extraordinarily wise and eloquent.

thanks ed,
too bad for a lot of kids you had to give up teaching

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I will participate in the straying from my own threads intent because I have had enough about the negative aspects continually presented about profiling.

An example......high crime in an area with high population of people of color....the jails and prisons in the area are overpopulated with a similar content of folks of color. Now just what do you think the watch commander is advising his people to look for? His people include many folks of color?

Will you all be happier when the only thing one is allowed to report is that a person robbed and killed another person today....go look for them......not white! not black! not male! not female! not young! not old!......get it? How stupid is this.....however that is what it seems will make the special interest, racism promoting few in this country......MOST OF WHOM HAVE NOTHING INVESTED IN THE ISSUE!!!!

Yes it is an opinion and y'all are entitled but let it be know the minority report (NOT RACE!!!!) is hearby acknowledged.

Just offering my support for this post.

[graciegirl]

The large and commonly consulted public opinion polls this morning show support of the law in both instances.

I am sure if a white youth shut the door twice on a police officer who had been called to the scene of a burglary and who had a description of the youth including his yellow shoes........ If he punched the officer who was sitting in his car, he would be shot. I am absolutely sure of it.

I think that the whole thing started over the fact that only a LITTLE was stolen. I don't look at it that way. It is wrong to steal and that is why we have laws to protect individuals and businesses. The family immediately called it character assassination when the video emerged showing their son towering over the irate business owner. I have to think that this kid was very over the top in his actions to everyone. He was a big kid and used to having his way.

That is why as parents you try to instill early on that you must respect your parent(s), the teacher, the law and also give children your values...

I think part of that happened here. The values part. I don't care what color he was. He should not have done what he did and now he is dead. Black, white or purple, I think the same thing would have happened.

I think bad stuff happens more to black people who live in urban poor conditions in a one parent family situation because the mother and father are both not present working together for the good of their children in MANY cases. I think that is the root of the issue. I really do. But I don't have a clue how to fix it. The welfare system encourages it. They won't fund couples as easily as single moms, nor should they. I wish the men in every community worked to support and encourage and guide their children and love their children's mom.

When you are raising children it helps if there are more of you than there are of them.

[rp001]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I saw a photo online yesterday of one of the women protestors in Ferguson holding up a sign saying; (you may not believe this but it's true)

"NO MOTHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY THAT EVERY TIME HER SON HOLDS UP A STORE HE WILL BE SHOT"

That pretty much explains the mentality of these people that are protesting. They have been completely brainwashed by some of the special interest groups that when a black kid is shot, it's never justified.

Your facts. That bogus photo was photoshopped and actually read when he leaves home. My god, the crap that is spewed here.

[billethkid]

If the media would not continue to glorify the protests by giving them so much coverage the disruption would not be seen as broad as they make it out to be.

For example the 20 or so that were demonstrating in Orlando yesterday, trying to block an intersection.....totally and absolutely news unworthy....yet there the cameras were watching a bunch of parrots walking around with their hands up without a clue what they are doing there except being a public nuisance.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by billethkid

If the media would not continue to glorify the protests by giving them so much coverage the disruption would not be seen as broad as they make it out to be.

For example the 20 or so that were demonstrating in Orlando yesterday, trying to block an intersection.....totally and absolutely news unworthy....yet there the cameras were watching a bunch of parrots walking around with their hands up without a clue what they are doing there except being a public nuisance.

Gots to get those ratings.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

If the media would not continue to glorify the protests by giving them so much coverage the disruption would not be seen as broad as they make it out to be.

For example the 20 or so that were demonstrating in Orlando yesterday, trying to block an intersection.....totally and absolutely news unworthy....yet there the cameras were watching a bunch of parrots walking around with their hands up without a clue what they are doing there except being a public nuisance.

For what is might be worth....

.....If there is a racial bias in our justice system, then EVERYONE should attack that issue and solve it. The two cases being bandied about and making the headlines, in my opinion, had nothing to do with race. It is not racial simply because the media and a few others with agendas call it that.

.....To make a good point, the choice of the fellow in Ferguson and the fellow in NYC were not good choices. In Ferguson, the man strongarms a store, consistently refuses to obey a police officer and then attacks that police officer. In NYC, BLACK SHOP OWNERS had called the police to complain about the man killed and asked the police to come. He had over 30 arrests, and it matters not what they were for. I am sure that there are other cases that can be used for a national movement.

.....BOTH grand juries followed the law. We are a country of law. In Ferguson, an indictment would have been totally opposed to the law. In NYC, the hold used was against police procedure, no doubt. It was not against any law. The choke hold was a DETERMINING factor along with a myriad of other physical problems this man had.

.....These marches and destruction are widening the gap, not narrowing it. There are a number of folks not of color who really have empathy to what is going on, but not going to get involved in this stuff.

.....The media is complicit because there are folks, and I cannot even fathom this, who enjoy watching this stuff. The media know who to follow and who to watch to make this kind of "news" and those who are in the power, know the media will prostitute themselves for this kind of film.

.....The leadership is really bad. The largest and best known leader of these movements is a convicted tax cheat, a man who lost his law liscense and is best known to me for the choice and selective words he had for those of the Jewish faith during the Brawley case in NY. This is not someone that anyone should follow.

MLK, as I said before would stay within the law...he would use the law to have things changed. His actions would get support from lawmakers who just will not get dirty associating with the likes of Sharpton. A huge mistake is being made by the black community, and it will undermine the police and what they rightfully are trying to accomplish.

Does anyone think that these actions and inflamatory words will change any bias that might exist in a policeman ? Or might it not make it worse ? Will the next black young man think he can be a hero by not listening to a police officer ?

I think that nobody wants racial bias in our justice system. I think that nobody wants our police to be handcuffed and unable to protect us. I think that people are just sick of certain groups looking for excuses to cry race. If they think that will actually help the problem or the people involved, they really have not thought this through.

OR, maybe they have and this serves their purpose, ie. continue to take advantage of a group and insure that they are always victims !!!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by rp001

Your facts. That bogus photo was photoshopped and actually read when he leaves home. My god, the crap that is spewed here.

Correction already noted in thread response #8. Thus, no more of what you would call crap. Perhaps you didn't read the entire thread.

Response #8:

Originally Posted by tomwed

I saw that too and it turns out to be false. It's a Photoshop change of this photo. click here

If you go to snopes.com there is more on the subject.

[rp001]

Originally Posted by rp001

Your facts. That bogus photo was photoshopped and actually read when he leaves home. My god, the crap that is spewed here.

Are right. I was too disgusted to read the entire thread!

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It seems to me there is a totally unfair and misguided attempt by some special interest groups and media to create a general condition of mistrust with law enforcement in America.

It seems we are continuing to move in the direction of what group can speak the loudest, or get the most media attention with two very concerning aspects.

Complete disregard for whether the allegations are true or not....it just does not seem to matter anymore.

Secondly how can, like it or not, an isolated incident be blown into an across the board condition nation wide?

I personally object to the notion the law enforcement community in general is not to be trusted to do what is right. I also firmly reject that rioting and camera hogging become the new face of the wants and needs of Americans.

My position has nothing to do with who was right or wrong......I like millions upon millions DO NOT HAVE enough credible information (non media or special interest or alarmists like Sharpton/Jackson) to take a stand.

My position is all about the way some few are trying to change, with some success, what we beleive about law enforcement in America!!!!!

Regarding “unfair and misguided attempt” you mentioned at the opening of this thread … here’s my two cents:

A certain segment of the ideological spectrum seeks to have people believe that white cops are somehow out there actively hunting young black males to shoot or, in effect, assassinate. This is idiotic on its face, and obviously untrue based on the numbers alone … ie total population of blacks, total number of police and total numbers shot etc. Yet the media seems to be like a cat with catnip …they can’t let go nor can other who fall for this rot.

A lot of the *organized* effort behind the scenes is driven by the usual radicals who’ve been doing this since the 1960s and whose aim is to, if they get lucky, tear down the evil yadda, yadda capitalist system. The moronic level of thought is what gets me … it’s so depressing that there are apparently that many people in our country and culture for whom truly, the facts don’t matter. It’s as if the truth in Ferguson is irrelevant. (note: Garner incident in NYC a different story).

Ok so what would make the critics happy? Hmmm, how about if the cops until further notice no longer provide police protection in high crime black neighborhoods because it’s becoming too much of a civil and social liability? Personally, if I was a cop, I would either find a new line or work or simply look the other way and not get involved unless absolutely unavoidable. Who loses in that case? The black underclass, as usual. I think that’s the point Rags was making in an earlier post.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Regarding “unfair and misguided attempt” you mentioned at the opening of this thread … here’s my two cents:

A certain segment of the ideological spectrum seeks to have people believe that white cops are somehow out there actively hunting young black males to shoot or, in effect, assassinate. This is idiotic on its face, and obviously untrue based on the numbers alone … ie total population of blacks, total number of police and total numbers shot etc. Yet the media seems to be like a cat with catnip …they can’t let go nor can other who fall for this rot.

A lot of the *organized* effort behind the scenes is driven by the usual radicals who’ve been doing this since the 1960s and whose aim is to, if they get lucky, tear down the evil yadda, yadda capitalist system. The moronic level of thought is what gets me … it’s so depressing that there are apparently that many people in our country and culture for whom truly, the facts don’t matter. It’s as if the truth in Ferguson is irrelevant. (note: Garner incident in NYC a different story).

Ok so what would make the critics happy? Hmmm, how about if the cops until further notice no longer provide police protection in high crime black neighborhoods because it’s becoming too much of a civil and social liability? Personally, if I was a cop, I would either find a new line or work or simply look the other way and not get involved unless absolutely unavoidable. Who loses in that case? The black underclass, as usual. I think that’s the point Rags was making in an earlier post.

well summarized.
As far as making the critics happy to be fair we would have to discontinue police protection in high crime neighborhoods, not just blacks. The end result would most likely be very similar.

The other statistic that should be published daily for a 3 month period are:

how many whites killed by whites in the last 24 hours? in both white and black neighborhoods.
how many whites killed by blacks in the last 24 hours? in both white and black neighborhoods.
how many blacks killed by blacks in the last 24 hours? in both white and black neighborhoods.
how many blacks killed by whites in the last 24 hours? in both white and black neighborhoods.

Then we can determine if there is a pattern and see if that would help clarify the environment our law enforcement faces.

Also during that 3 month period, maybe weekly, have Sharpton give us his review of what he thinks is happening on an ongoing, daily basis. Let's see if he is as articulate with the day to day reality instead of the strategically selected, isolated case that fits his agenda.

Now what could be more fair.

As for the media they need to go to BOTH the white and black neighborhoods, AWAY from the staged protests and get a cross section commentary from the residents what they think about what is reported above.

I know......too much oxygen in the brain today....eh?

[scarecrow1]

The officer did know about the robbery,he said he asked them to go to the sidewalk while he was waiting for backup when Brown approached him.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by scarecrow1

The officer did know about the robbery,he said he asked them to go to the sidewalk while he was waiting for backup when Brown approached him.

According to the grand jury report the officer was called because of the robbery and the color of Brown's shoes were mentioned.

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Rags123

So, you mean just live with the rioting, destruction and increased racial tension ??

My point was, for example, the sad case in NY where a choke hold was put on a suspect and he died. The ENTIRE SITUATION should not have happened. Had the suspect, and it matters not what he is a suspect about, simply refused to answer the police or listen to what they wanted him to do. THAT was what happened BEFORE THE ACTUAL INCIDENT.

Same thing in Ferguson. Suspect listens to the police and NOT UNFAIR DEMANDS, and he is alive, the city is not half burned to the ground, etc etc etc.

Keep in mind...if police stop you and you did nothing, you MIGHT be inconvenienced and you might have your feelings hurt, but that is it and any cop who oversteps what he or she does when stopping you is in trouble and you are on your way.

I agree with your basic point, but look at the video again.

The so-called "chokehold" was not really a chokehold. It did not cut off Garner's breathing or restrict his carotid artery. In any event, it was released long before Garner lost consciousness. This was a case where an asthmatic, 400-pound, career criminal resisted arrest, had a heart attack during the ensuing struggle, and died. Too bad, but the fault was that of the criminal, not that of the police.