[Road-Runner]

At what point does an individual's right to choose, and a parent's right to choose for their children, enter into some people's equation? There are obviously lines that as a society we have drawn that don't allow true child abuse to occur even if the parent disagrees, but that's not this. Some parents, with substantial justification, see masks as a hinderance to learning and even potential health threat themselves. Masks are political at this point, the politicians and media pundits have made them so. Remember, the group pushing mandatory masks on school children are also the group pushing for gender reassignments for 8 year-olds for children who don't act 100% in accordance with their birth gender. Oh, and that's with or without the parents permission or ability to intervene. The worlds gone nuts.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

No joke. I would never joke about public health and safety, especially for children.

As of 9/15, CDC reports a total of 439 covid deaths from 0-17 years

That's 439 out of a population of 74 million.

Over 1000 kids have already died from the flu and pnuemonia.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Over the course of the pandemic, 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes, minus 439 from covid.

The Kids Were Safe From COVID the Whole Time

"Save the children" is really just politicians trying to look like they are doing something and old people who want the whole world to stop living until they no longer fear covid.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

Attachment 90820

Yes, about 1/4 to 1/3 the number of daily new cases (adjusted to population) that we have and essentially zero deaths. How much better might the US be doing if we had that kind of compliance?

(yes, I know 58 is not zero but compared to 660,000 it is essentially zero)

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

As of 9/15, CDC reports a total of 439 covid deaths from 0-17 years

That's 439 out of a population of 74 million.

Over 1000 kids have already died from the flu and pnuemonia.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Over the course of the pandemic, 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes, minus 439 from covid.

The Kids Were Safe From COVID the Whole Time

"Save the children" is really just politicians trying to look like they are doing something and old people who want the whole world to stop living until they no longer fear covid.

From the "...Kids Were Safe..." article:

Which means that while more cases are likely and some amount of hospitalization and death, as well, vaccines have eliminated the overwhelming share of American mortality risk, with the disease now circulating almost exclusively among people who can endure it much, much better — kids especially.

I wonder if the current 140,000+ new cases per day, 1,800+ deaths per day, and 96,700 currently hospitalized are what the authors envisioned when they wrote that paragraph?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

I agree.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by bonrich

Remember how many of us fought wearing seat belts? The usual remark, was it's my choice to wear a belt. Then some cars had the seat belt wrap around you when you started and now, "it's the law." Even though it's required, I wear a belt every time I am driving, put it on without thinking about it. Will we reach mask use to the level that seat belts are used? Maybe.............

that's assuming everyone wears a belt. there are many who don't

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by PugMom

that's assuming everyone wears a belt. there are many who don't

Yes we read about their deaths every day………….

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why should anyone in the Villages care about whether children are put in harm's way? Their kids are all grown.


Let the parents of today's schoolkids decide whether or not to teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Let them decide whether or not to give their kids a shotgun for their 10th birthday, or let their 12-year-old take the golf cart for a spin when they visit. Let the parents of today's kids decide whether or not they should be inconvenienced by a mask so that they don't catch a deadly disease that they aren't eligible to vaccinate against yet.

Let them decide whether or not to let them play with fireworks in the back yard.

Let them decide whether or not to bring up irresponsible children who were never taught that common sense is a good thing to have, and that as members of civilization, they are expected to grow up to be civilized adults.

Y'all had your turn making those decisions for YOUR kids. If the generation failed, it's because you failed them. Now sit back and let them raise or kill their own children as they see fit.

Children should never be the victim of their parents.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

Masking is the only risk reduction available to children.

Powerpoint summary of the Science behind masking to reduce the risk of transmitting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sking-full.pdf

For risk reduction, there is also indoor ventilation, distance separation, and plexiglass between desks. But, the problem is that people are loath to increase property taxes to pay for increased costs for public schools. Many retired Americans no longer can relate to children in school. And many young married adults with children see schools as just a FREE baby sitting service while they work.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

For risk reduction, there is also indoor ventilation, distance separation, and plexiglass between desks. But, the problem is that people are loath to increase property taxes to pay for increased costs for public schools. Many retired Americans no longer can relate to children in school. And many young married adults with children see schools as just a FREE baby sitting service while they work.

I disagree...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

Obviously we NEED it and WANT it. Until CV is gone, masking and vaccinations will be a PRIME subject because CV IS a prime PROBLEM. No one will die if their golf car is NOT repaired by the best mechanic.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Totally agree.

I'm just going to re-post what I posted on another thread on the same subject which was closed because, as usual, people could not keep their dumb political comments to themselves.

Background----I posted that this decision should not be left to parents or even school boards because 90+% of them lack the knowledge to make such a decision. The usual culprit, and rather lamely this time, stated that I insulted 90+% of parents, and then quipped "My child has a temp of 103. Hello congressman, what should I do"

So here was my response:

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?

How about, "hello Congressman can we please have National Health Care so that we can ALL afford to get good Pediatric and Public Healthcare like all the rest of the free, 1st world nations."

[Fassinof]

The CDC and Fauci and others have flip flopped over this many times. As such, it is impossible to make an informed decision and everyone has a position an the subject. Mandating masks should not happen any more than mandating not wearing them. It is an individual choice.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mrrmauu

This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>

It is perfectly relevant (sincerity)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Masks are political statements, I demand this post to be shut down.

A truly strange statement.