[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

The only issue is the melting ice is generally not in the ocean. Carry on.

doesn't matter where it's located......

[crash]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

You are correct with respect to floating ice that melts. Actually, ice floats in water with 89 percent of the ice being below the water surface, and 11 percent being above the water level. This is true with floating icebergs in the ocean. But, not all ice in nature is floating. A lot of glaciers are actually located on the ground and are not floating in water. So, when they melt, the water level will rise significantly.

I agree 100% but too simple for climate change deniers to grasp.

[crash]

Originally Posted by kp11364

In regard to a recently closed thread about rising water levels, try this:

1. Fill a drinking glass half-full with water
2. Add 2-3 ice cubes. Look at the water level.
3. Put the glass aside; let all the ice melt. You will see that the water level remains the same. Why? Because the amount of water remains the same, regardless of the state of the water.

Try this experiment fill your glass with water and place a screen over the top and put your ice cubes on the screen. Once they have melted see how the water level has changed. You may be surprised it has risen.

Glaciers are on land and are receding my example. Icebergs are in the water your example. The icebergs break off from the glaciers increasing the volume the more icebergs the greater the volume.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by crash

Try this experiment fill your glass with water and place a screen over the top and put your ice cubes on the screen. Once they have melted see how the water level has changed. You may be surprised it has risen.

Glaciers are on land and are receding my example. Icebergs are in the water your example. The icebergs break off from the glaciers increasing the volume the more icebergs the greater the volume.

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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by crash

Try this experiment fill your glass with water and place a screen over the top and put your ice cubes on the screen. Once they have melted see how the water level has changed. You may be surprised it has risen.

Glaciers are on land and are receding my example. Icebergs are in the water your example. The icebergs break off from the glaciers increasing the volume the more icebergs the greater the volume.

Originally Posted by crash

I agree 100% but too simple for climate change deniers to grasp.

All that is true----but it's just the how, not the why

The why is that glaciers melt, (slowly), because the Earth is warming. DOH.

But the Earth has been warming for the last 20,000 years. Before that it cooled for 45, 000 years, and before that, etc. etc.

And all that happened without any help whatsoever from our Neanderthal and Cro Magnon ancestors. So who are the real "climate change deniers"?

[dewilson58]

Fact:

Two shots of gin in a glass.

Four ice cubes.

Mark the combined level on the side of the glass.

Watch, over the next half hour...............the combined level goes down.

In Fact: the glass is completely empty.

[M2inOR]

Plate tectonics will have more of an effect on coastal areas than glacial melt.

At one time almost all of Florida was under water. Millions of years of coral and other sealife died and deposited matter that created the limestone. Other geologic events caused that Florida land mass to apparently rise above the sea level. It could have been due to the weight of the receding glaciers. It could have been movement of the magma well below the Earth's crust.

There are mountains in Italy that are made of white marble high above sea level by hundreds and thousands of feet. Marble is produced when limestone is subjected to pressure and heat. Plate tectonics had something to do with creating those marble mountains; that's where Cararra is mined.

We humans cannot conceive of the time-frames it takes for all these changes to the Earth.

Man caused? Pollution, yes. Sea level rise and fall? Less so.

But yes, the climate is changing, but many, many factors contribute to this.

We'll do much better when we all have a better understanding of geology rather than politics.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I just do not understand the fascination with golf.

You get to play with grass.

You get to play in sand.

You get to play in water.

You get to play with your putter.

What's not to love.

[rvalukonis]

Originally Posted by kp11364

In regard to a recently closed thread about rising water levels, try this:

1. Fill a drinking glass half-full with water
2. Add 2-3 ice cubes. Look at the water level.
3. Put the glass aside; let all the ice melt. You will see that the water level remains the same. Why? Because the amount of water remains the same, regardless of the state of the water.

Sorry, there will be a slight but measurable reduction in the water level since ice is less dense than water and contracts 9% by volume when it melts. That's why ice floats in water.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Fact:

Two shots of gin in a glass.

Four ice cubes.

Mark the combined level on the side of the glass.

Watch, over the next half hour...............the combined level goes down.

In Fact: the glass is completely empty.

Great. In fact this entire stream is great. Me? I think I learned a lot of facts…..or opinions. Thank you to all who shared their thoughts

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rvalukonis

Sorry, there will be a slight but measurable reduction in the water level since ice is less dense than water and contracts 9% by volume when it melts. That's why ice floats in water.

Agree, which is what I had posted. However, to be technically correct we have to account for the volume of ice above the water line. Therefore, we need to modify the experiment to put the ice at the bottom of the glass, cover it with a screen and then add water. Then we would find a slight drop in the level. But again, this has nothing to do with ice over land melting.

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by kp11364

In regard to a recently closed thread about rising water levels, try this:

1. Fill a drinking glass half-full with water
2. Add 2-3 ice cubes. Look at the water level.
3. Put the glass aside; let all the ice melt. You will see that the water level remains the same. Why? Because the amount of water remains the same, regardless of the state of the water.

Tell that to all the coastal areas throughout the world and small islands that are disappearing. Clueless!

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by rvalukonis

Sorry, there will be a slight but measurable reduction in the water level since ice is less dense than water and contracts 9% by volume when it melts. That's why ice floats in water.

This has been explained in other posts. The ice floats, but part of it is above the water line, so when it melts, the water level is essentially the same as it was before it melts.

[PersonOfInterest]

Here's a new science experiment. A Gallon of Water weighs 8.34 lbs. Drink a gallon of water and then weigh yourself to see if you weigh 8+ lbs. more. Next consider the displacement of water when an object is placed in / on the water. The water increase could be caused by all the ships we've placed in the oceans some of which are as large as icebergs. If you think I don't know what I'm talking about your absolutely right. I just make stuff up as I go along.

[bogmonster]

Try this little experiment.

One the first hole today, fill a big swig with ice and then top off with favorite beverage. Make sure you finish before third hole. I guarantee you will have to stop at next porta potti to remove the excess water.