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Old 12-14-2012, 08:08 PM
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Good thread, Ed.
I can see several factors at play. One is that newbies here dive right in with their questions/ problems and are often the ones attacked. Yes, many may be suspicious but I think it's encombant on those of use who have been around a while to be aware of their newness and treat them with kid gloves to start out and give them the benefit of doubt. Those of us that have been on here a while tend to get used to or 'get the hang' of the rest of the personalities and will harmlessly tease or poke fun at some knowing they will take it in good jest as it was intended. I think know the grumps and avoid commenting in those cases because I don't have a good idea how they'll take it and I never mean any harm. I do like to point out ironies though. That is my personality and I have just as much fun being poked at. As another said, I also read my responses carefully and sometimes delete them or edit them before posting if I think they'll be taken wrong. It is difficult at best with the wide range of personalities on here.
In short, give the newbies a break and think before you click 'post reply'.
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I take a totallyh different view on all this ....My forfathers as well as I and most of you either know or have personally fought for the rights you have and supposidly hold dear....One of them is freedom of speech....It is written and it is the law....So why are all of you ready to looose more of your rights just because you don't like the way someone said it ? I will fight for your right to speak will you not fight for mine ?
I do not know exactly how to respond to this.

The media is to report the news...ALL OF IT. Not one side or another.

That has nothing to do with freedom of speech in anyway. If you call yourself a journalist who is reporting NEWS, then report it all.

If you are a commentor with your opinions, then certainly you have a right to say them, put them on billboards..whatever.

Problem is that we take commentators comments as NEWS and it is not. I honestly cannot think of a valid NEWS outlet ! They are shooting for ratings and not accuracy or NEWS and they are servants to those whom they should be keeping in place. That pendulum swings BOTH ways and is not a political comment.
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I do not know exactly how to respond to this.

The media is to report the news...ALL OF IT. Not one side or another.

That has nothing to do with freedom of speech in anyway. If you call yourself a journalist who is reporting NEWS, then report it all.

If you are a commentor with your opinions, then certainly you have a right to say them, put them on billboards..whatever.

Problem is that we take commentators comments as NEWS and it is not. I honestly cannot think of a valid NEWS outlet ! They are shooting for ratings and not accuracy or NEWS and they are servants to those whom they should be keeping in place. That pendulum swings BOTH ways and is not a political comment.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you !
The vast majority of "News" today is slanted by the corporations that control the media - one way or the other. It is very rare to hear both sides of a story reported without bias.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you !
The vast majority of "News" today is slanted by the corporations that control the media - one way or the other. It is very rare to hear both sides of a story reported without bias.
I believe you are right.
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Media bias is very much alive but not so well.
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New is all about ratings these days! Have you noticed how news-persons tend to also editorialize??

Yesterday that incident in CT was horrific...did you all notice all the reports coming that had to be rebutted due to incorrect information? I can see reporting what's happening but to devote the whole of the day to it is a bit over-board. "They" will say it's because "we" have the "right" to know.

I believe in the right of "Free Speech" but civilty has gone by the way-side! I'm with fighting for our freedoms---but of late all I see is folks sending e-mails, complaining and not putting action into their words (for the most part).
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New is all about ratings these days! Have you noticed how news-persons tend to also editorialize??

Yesterday that incident in CT was horrific...did you all notice all the reports coming that had to be rebutted due to incorrect information? I can see reporting what's happening but to devote the whole of the day to it is a bit over-board. "They" will say it's because "we" have the "right" to know.

I believe in the right of "Free Speech" but civilty has gone by the way-side! I'm with fighting for our freedoms---but of late all I see is folks sending e-mails, complaining and not putting action into their words (for the most part).
AND some producers of news shows are more "ethical" than others, but not every day and not every moment.

It is "their" job to report the news and if "they" don't keep running the story and the other major networks do, they lose business. I feel sorry for the anchors who have to fill air space and it is NOT what they were taught as correct to speculate or encourage people to repeat gossip...but they all do.

No easy answer. It is a competitive business much like any other.
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Geez.......I guess I've missed a lot by being away from TOTV for a few days!

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Good thread/initial post, Ed.

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As veteran of the political thread I learned that even though I am center left and others center right usually we could agree on issues if we calmly explained our position and the reason behind it. I miss those.discussions. Its all about finding common ground!
I miss those discussion too. I hope you are healthy and happy and hitting them straight and long. Happy, happy New Year. B.K. Cunningham
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Isn't the news media on a different thread?
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Isn't the news media on a different thread?
Thread? Don't know! World? Could be!
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Isn't the news media on a different thread?
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Seems the moderators and administrator of the site have had to do overtime duty on the board the last few days, deleting posts and shutting down threads. They shut down the political site, largely because the tone could not remain civil and because they were spending an inordinate amount of time administering it. Would hate to see people kicked off the board because they can't be civil. Here are my thoughts for whatever they are worth.

Humor is a very personal thing and without context and sometimes facial expression or body language, is misunderstood. Humor to one, may be critical or hurtful to another. Sarcasm, satire, and irony do not translate well to forums of this type and should be used with care. Believe me, I have posted things I thought of as funny and harmless, that others percieved as mean-spirited, and for that I apologize.

Most issues or opinions are not black or white. If you disagree with someone, it does not mean they are not right in the way they see things, nor that you are not right in the way you see things. Disagreement should generally be accompanied with an acknowledgment that one can understand the opposite point of view but disagrees in specific ways. Sometimes we need to agree to disagree and move on, and sometimes it is best to simply ignore things. I can't tell you how many times I have hit quote and reply and began to compose a response, and then realized that nothing positive could possibly come of it, and it was best to simply back away from the keyboard.

What you write may be misunderstood. I have had this happen many times, and generally when I go back and look at my post, I find that I didn't provide proper context or tried to be too brief and left out things that would have provided clarity. For example, I recently said in reply to a post that I thought was pointedly critical of another poster, something to the effect that while you don't have to do (whatever the subject of the post was about), you don't have to be a jerk either. I was not really calling them a jerk, but implying that it was equally poor taste to criticize them so severely as it was to do the thing the OP had done or said. It came out wrong (hopefully this won't do the same) and was rightly deleted. I generally re-read my posts prior to submitting them to check for spelling, grammar, and context, but still my thoughts are sometimes misstated or misconstrued.

As my friend Joe (2B) says, it doesn't cost anything to be nice, which are probably words for most of us, myself included, to pay more attention to.
A very thought provoking intelligent post.........from one of the very most intelligent posters on TOTV.

Everyone has a different reality, a different frame of reference....having seen things first hand that others may not have witnessed, nor ever will witness...........such as pertains to the mental illness debate going on.

With regard to the guns debate, it all depends on which part of the country you live in; not to mention the crime rate in that particular region. For the most part, hunters from rural areas, will continue to defend their gun rights. They are not necessarily thinking of the guns being in the hands of a mentally ill young person, intent on shooting innocents, such as those beautiful young children, teachers, etc.

Of course, as we see in Connecticut's quintessential lovely hometown where the school tragedy occurred, oftentimes evil knows no boundaries.

One news anchor mentioned yesterday that people are becoming increasingly intolerant of other folks' opinions during all of what has transpired recently...........which has brought up long submerged memories in a lot of people. Often, one thing leads to another rememberance. At our age, all of us should have a wealth of experience which allows us to relate to much of what is happening in our world today.

Again, you are an extremely intelligent writer with a fairness and a good heart.
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My take on this goes to two issues. First political correctness has been so ingrained into our thinking that too may of us have forgotten how to have a civil discussion because the immediate reaction to a word or the content of a statement is immediately taken as an affront. Think about how many people you are comfortble with kidding or teaseing anymore. I can think of two my wife and my brother other than that I hold back because experience has taught me that too many people over-react.

Secondly, this country is so decisively divided; especially politically that just being in the opposite political party is enough to set a person off. Just watch the news from the standpoint of what I just said and I promise you that you will see examples of this story after story.

That old live and let live philosophy simply is dying out...and it is a heartbreaker
I can so relate to your above words.........especially, who you can trust to "get" you and "understand" you. We are fortunate to have them, aren't we?

Again, more power to your words........I agree with your statement above.
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