[cmj1210]

Originally Posted by bluedog103

I'm from NY and I've been hearing "you guys" or "youse guys" for at least 50 years, probably more. I don't think anything of it, if fact I've used these terms for years. I had a history teacher in high school who often called the class "youse guys.

You quoted me out of context, of course "you guys" has been used just about forever up North, but when this expression is directed at strangers it takes on a whole new meaning. It is disrespectful and downright crude especially when used to address restaurant patrons that should be addressed with more respect.

[Wandatime]

Originally Posted by birdawg

Blowing one's nose at the table. Disgusting

And then looking at it. Yes, I've seen that behavior by a grown up.

[tomwed]

At the risk of offending, I'm going to flip the post.

I love seperate checks and after eating out 60 times in 60 weeks with my golf group in many different places I have not had one waiter or waitress find a problem with that extra paperwork.

For the record, I overtip just because the staff is so agreeable on this subject. I also don't know for sure if my friends also over tip but when we leave the waiter or waitress is smiling and always say "Come Again".

We were all once in their shoes one way or another, one time or another. And I'd like to think there is some kind of grandparent universal bond that says "I'll look out for your grandkid in the villages and you look out for mine elsewhere."

My dad used to tip the photomat lady.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by tomwed

At the risk of offending, I'm going to flip the post.
I love seperate checks ....

Tom, you will never offend when you start a post with "I love ...."
I was astounded when we first moved to The Villages and found out that separate bills were common place.
Even when couples don't sit together, and the group is large, the servers almost always manage to match people up and get the bills correct.
They certainly deserve a round of applause for that.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by birdawg

Blowing one's nose at the table. Disgusting

"Disgusting" is right!!

First they blow germ droplets over the table, and then their dirty hands reach for the bread.......

Now come those who think this is just fine..... Eeeeewwwww

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by birdawg

Blowing one's nose at the table. Disgusting

That's snot nice.

[Yosemite]

1. Customers who complain about the cold but don't bring a sweater.
2. Customers who don't wear their hearing aids so the server has to shout at them.
3. Customers who don't pay attention to the server when the specials or salad dressings are listed, making the whole spiel having to be repeated.
4. Customers who don't read the menu and ask questions that would not be necessary if they did.
5. Customers who wait until the server shows up and then starts reading the menu.
6. Cheap silverware.
7. Being shorted on cocktails and wine. Beer glasses are never half full!
8. Dirty restrooms.
9. Patio restaurants that don't allow dogs.

[bluedog103]

Originally Posted by cmj1210

You quoted me out of context, of course "you guys" has been used just about forever up North, but when this expression is directed at strangers it takes on a whole new meaning. It is disrespectful and downright crude especially when used to address restaurant patrons that should be addressed with more respect.

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Well I for one am a Northern Girl and I hate it when they say "you guys". This was not a term that anybody used in my generation. It's a generational thing. This only started about 15 yrs ago unlike our Southern counterparts who have always used the term Y'all.



I had to go back and look. I didn't quote you out of context, in fact I didn't quote you at all. I simply stated that I had been hearing "you guys and youse guys" for many years as opposed to your statement that "This was not a term that anybody used in my generation. It's a generational thing. This only started about 15 yrs ago unlike our Southern counterparts who have always used the term Y'all". This is a direct quote and I do disagree with your statement that it is a crude and disrespectful way to address others. If this is the worst you have been called, to your face, then you've lived a very special life. To me it's simply a way for the server to be cordial and friendly, but perhaps that's just me. I don't look at anyone serving me in a restaurant or any place else as being beneath me so casual greetings are welcome.

[tomwed]

from the
The Chronicle of Higher Education
Hey, you guys!

"That’s the explanation for guy. But how do we get you guys, our most common way of addressing to more than one person?

The answer is grammatical. Guy is a noun. But in you guys, it takes on the guise of a pronoun.

And why is that? Blame it on an epidemic of politeness among speakers of the English language.

In the 18th century, speakers of English became so polite that they used the polite form you to address not just several people but even just one. Instead of thou art we said you are, even to one person.

But we still like to distinguish between singular and plural in our pronouns, so speakers of English invented a variety of ways to make a plural form of you. Some added –s in various shapes to make youse, you’ns, or yinz. Others, especially in the American South, added all to make you all and y’all.

And then, around the middle of the past century, people began adding guys to make you guys. Until then, guy referred just to men and boys, but the combination you guys acted as a plural second-person pronoun and could be applied to humans of any gender.

No, guys didn’t actually become a pronoun. It remains a noun. It’s just that the combination of you and guys acts like a plural pronoun. Funny thing, language!

Once that was established, you guys could be shortened to guys but still function as a second-person pronoun. “You guys, get to work” could be expressed as “Guys, get to work” without being restricted to males.

And so we have you guys today as the most widely used plural of you, at least in the United States. If you’re someone, especially someone female, who doesn’t like being addressed as “you guys” when you’re dining with a friend in a restaurant, either because it’s slangy or because guys ought to be men—you can blame it on Guy Fawkes. But don’t blame him too much, because if we’d kept thou we’d never have you guys.

[kittygilchrist]

When they tell you on the phone you have a reservation, and when you show up they say"we don't take reservations."

[Laurie2]

Originally Posted by tomwed

from the
The Chronicle of Higher Education
Hey, you guys!

"That’s the explanation for guy. But how do we get you guys, our most common way of addressing to more than one person?

The answer is grammatical. Guy is a noun. But in you guys, it takes on the guise of a pronoun.

And why is that? Blame it on an epidemic of politeness among speakers of the English language.

In the 18th century, speakers of English became so polite that they used the polite form you to address not just several people but even just one. Instead of thou art we said you are, even to one person.

But we still like to distinguish between singular and plural in our pronouns, so speakers of English invented a variety of ways to make a plural form of you. Some added –s in various shapes to make youse, you’ns, or yinz. Others, especially in the American South, added all to make you all and y’all.

And then, around the middle of the past century, people began adding guys to make you guys. Until then, guy referred just to men and boys, but the combination you guys acted as a plural second-person pronoun and could be applied to humans of any gender.

No, guys didn’t actually become a pronoun. It remains a noun. It’s just that the combination of you and guys acts like a plural pronoun. Funny thing, language!

Once that was established, you guys could be shortened to guys but still function as a second-person pronoun. “You guys, get to work” could be expressed as “Guys, get to work” without being restricted to males.

And so we have you guys today as the most widely used plural of you, at least in the United States. If you’re someone, especially someone female, who doesn’t like being addressed as “you guys” when you’re dining with a friend in a restaurant, either because it’s slangy or because guys ought to be men—you can blame it on Guy Fawkes. But don’t blame him too much, because if we’d kept thou we’d never have you guys.

Hey, guy,

Thanks. I knew there had to be a history tied up with the singular/plural thing with the pronoun, but I never thought to look it up. Somebody got an article out of it. Love it.

"You guys" does not faze me. I answer to it. But I think that usage goes beyond the informal pluralization. Just imagine if a group of women were addressed as, "You gals." That would be cringeworthy.

When you take the plural pronoun part and throw in the better-be-careful-what-you-call-a-woman routine and then have to use words that can carry connotation, as well as denotation, it can get a little complicated.

I just smile and give 'em my order.

[Patty55]

I'm thinking that all of the cooking and restaurant shows are causing people to set their standards a bit too high. For the most part the restaurants here are fast food and the servers are any warm body that can drag a plate to the table. I think for the most part they are doing the best they can with what they have.

However, I personally would cringe when called "sweetie" or "honey". (Could be because whenever I use those terms I'm being sarcastic.) Now, I've gotten over it.

The other diners are something else. I am so sick of people putting their ugly, badly dressed babies on the table. The last time this happened was in a dog zone and they had the gall to question the dog being there. Hellooo, the dog was more attractive, better dressed and had documented lineage. Meanwhile, they have this child's butt right on the table.

I'm pretty much okay with everyone else's peeves. Loud groups just appear to be having fun. Waiters messing up, hey I admit to being the world's worst waitress while in school-figure it's payback-LOL.

[D&Lsunfun]

sitting in a area that dogs are allowed and on the tables and chairs.
the loudness in the dinning rooms, due to poor design of the establishments.
wait staff that refers to the customers as: honey

[tomwed]

Take a look at these photos click here

HonFest is an annual festival held in the Hampden neighborhood of Baltimore, Maryland.

Hon is short for honey, a term often used in Baltimorese. It is a term of endearment for anyone including strangers passing on the street, your neighbor, and your family. It is a term that can be heard almost everywhere throughout Baltimore, but Hampden has the most use of the word. While Hon is a term used frequently, it has grown into a culture and has become a type of person.

My oldest son went to college in Baltimore, lived in that neighborhood and took me to the festival. The waitresses called everyone hon or honey. The photos are how women used to dress back in the day, so they say. It’s a fun event.

[Halibut]

I was astounded when we first moved to The Villages and found out that separate bills were common place.

Are there places were it isn't? I'm asking sincerely, because my experience is that servers always ask a group if they want separate checks.