[pooh]

Where is this report VPL? I can't seem to find it. When did they collect this data? Granted they may live longer, but remember that not all are vegetarians, there are other aspects of their lives that differ from an "average" American's. Maybe no drinking, no caffeine, no smoking, an active lifestyle, contribute some part in this seemingly longer lifespan...

[rubicon]

I may have missed it but what people have been addressing has been consequences from bad behavior.

Let's turn it around.

Do people deserve what they get if they invest wisely, attempt to maximize there profits, win a lottery, invent a widget, etc. if so then why does it seem the government punishes them so highy with taxes, criticize them as being greedy, immoral, etc....You know where I am heading here

[pooh]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

Maybe it's the male dominant, woman submissive lifestyle <ducking> LOL

[graciegirl]

Say Good night, Gracie.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Where is this report VPL? I can't seem to find it. When did they collect this data? Granted they may live longer, but remember that not all are vegetarians, there are other aspects of their lives that differ from an "average" American's. Maybe no drinking, no caffeine, no smoking, an active lifestyle, contribute some part in this seemingly longer lifespan...

Pooh, you can find this report by searching the following: "U.S. Study of Adventists finds vegetarians live longer"

You will see a big picture of vegetables taken in a supermarket and above the picture it says: "People who eat a vegetarian diet live longer than those who eat meat....."

The report was dated Jun. 4, 2013.

A small fraction of those in the study (4,031) ate meat infrequently.

You state that there may be other differences. Yes, in general they live a prudent lifestyle. Of course, everyone knows that smoking is bad for your health. Excess alcohol consumption is bad too. What does that prove?
Are you trying to minimize the health benefits of eating vegetarian?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I may have missed it but what people have been addressing has been consequences from bad behavior.

Let's turn it around.

Do people deserve what they get if they invest wisely, attempt to maximize there profits, win a lottery, invent a widget, etc. if so then why does it seem the government punishes them so highy with taxes, criticize them as being greedy, immoral, etc....You know where I am heading here

Very good point, rubicon. Everyone seems to think in terms of negative results. I have been investing wisely, taking calculated risks, for well over two decades and I have had tremendous results. I worked at it and took the risks, so I feel I deserve the rewards. Over many years I have probably read over 100 books on health and nutrition and I usually put what I learn into practice. So at age 72 I enjoy excellent (drug free) health and I think I deserve it.

However, I don't deserve to win the lottery because I have never bought any lottery tickets.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Pooh, you can find this report by searching the following: "U.S. Study of Adventists finds vegetarians live longer"

You will see a big picture of vegetables taken in a supermarket and above the picture it says: "People who eat a vegetarian diet live longer than those who eat meat....."

The report was dated Jun. 4, 2013.

A small fraction of those in the study (4,031) ate meat infrequently.

You state that there may be other differences. Yes, in general they live a prudent lifestyle. Of course, everyone knows that smoking is bad for your health. Excess alcohol consumption is bad too. What does that prove?
Are you trying to minimize the health benefits of eating vegetarian?

Thank you for the info, I'll take a look in a bit. Am I trying to minimize the health benefits? No, not at all, I'm trying to validate exactly why some who eat a plant based diet do well...and why some who eat a diet with animal protein, also do well. Often times there are interactions not readily apparent that bring about results. One day, soon, we will know exactly why different diets can bring good health. You're not disputing that there are individuals that are healthy, fit and happy on diets that have animal protein and fats in them, are you....

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Thank you for the info, I'll take a look in a bit. Am I trying to minimize the health benefits? No, not at all, I'm trying to validate exactly why some who eat a plant based diet do well...and why some who eat a diet with animal protein, also do well. Often times there are interactions not readily apparent that bring about results. One day, soon, we will know exactly why different diets can bring good health. You're not disputing that there are individuals that are healthy, fit and happy on diets that have animal protein and fats in them, are you....

No, I'm not disputing that there are some individuals that are healthy, fit and happy on diets that have animal protein and fats in them. Just as I am not disputing that there are some individuals who are healthy, fit and happy smoking cigarettes. Anything is possible when you bring it down to the level of the individual. Just like it's possible to win the lottery.

But if you look at large-scale population studies, in general, the less animal protein they eat the better off they seem to be regarding health and longevity. That's what I have noticed but, off-hand, I don't recall any comprehensive study that compares the overall lifestyles of various regions.