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[DougB]

They did not bury him next to his mother and father because burial at sea was something JFK Jr. had told his family he wanted. He loved sailing, kayaking, and swimming.

[Carl in Tampa]

JFK, and even more so Attorney General Robert Kennedy, were intensely disliked in some parts of the South primarily because they became Civil Rights activists.

If you watched all of the JFK coverage you should have seen the special on their decision to enforce integration of the University of Alabama with U.S. Marshals and the federalization of the Alabama National Guard.

They showed Governor George Wallace literally "standing in the schoolhouse door" at the university to resist integration and being confronted by U.S. Attorney Nick Katzenbach and U.S. Marshals.

After the confrontation, the young lady who was enrolling entered through a different door.

As a sidelight, Gov. Wallace was himself the victim of an assassination attempt while under Secret Service protection when he was running for president. His wounds left him paralyzed from the waist down. Special Agent Nick Zarvos was shot in the throat in the same incident and survived.

In his later years Gov. Wallace announced that he had repented of his earlier segregationist positions.

As you may know, the Kennedys had close connections with the Sinatra "Rat Pack" which included brother-in-law Peter Lawford and Sammy Davis Jr. When the Kennedys decided to become active in enforcing Civil Rights they asked Lawford to talk to Davis about breaking off his relationship with actress Mai Britt because of the criticism at that time over inter-racial relationships.

With regard to Texas in general and Dallas in particular, it was (an is) politically very conservative. The primary liberal spot in Texas is Austin. Just prior to the JFK visit to Dallas there was a visit by Democrat Adali Stevenson who was actually struck by a sign being held by a demonstrator.

However, you are right; Kennedy was greeted warmly by the people of Dallas. Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Dallasite. He was born in New York; lived in Russia and New Orleans before moving to the Dallas area. His actions should not be blamed on the people of Dallas.

Prior to shooting JFK, Oswald had attempted to assassinate an outspoken conservative General in Dallas.

At this time there are virtually no records or files relating to the JFK assassination that have not been released. Most can be viewed at the JFK Library. The JFK autopsy photos and drawings can actually be found on the Internet.

If you have been caught up in any of the multitude of "conspiracy theories" I recommend reading the book Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi. Bugliosi, who prosecuted the Charles Manson family members in California, has written an exhaustive book which debunks all of the popular conspiracy theories.

If you want the perspective of the agents who were in Dallas on the day of the assassination, I recommend The Kennedy Detail: JFK's Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence by Gerald Blaine, Lisa McCubbin and Clint Hill. For years after the assassination I worked with almost every Secret Service agent who was present in Dallas and we never had conversations about Dallas. This book is noteworthy because it is the first break in their silence that I am aware of. In case you do not know, Clint Hill was the lone agent who got on the back of the limousine after JFK was shot and who pushed Jackie back down into her seat.

As we look back at the Kennedy presidency it is interesting to realize how many of his political positions would now be considered "conservative."

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask, rather, what you can do for your country." --- John F. Kennedy

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[Finallyfree]

Having been born in a small southern town and then moving to the big northern AND becoming catholic there is another though not as we'll researched reason that some southern citizens did not like Kennedy. He was catholic and many evangelical Christians of that time period were scared by that. They thought that the pope would run our country and were terribly afraid. I actually did not tell anyone that I converted to Catholicism, at the request of my parents because they were afraid of being outcast in our small southern town. This is not historical but personal insight as to why some hated Kennedy even though they believed in the civil rights movement. We look back and think, "crazy people" now but fear makes people do and say crazy things. Great questions by the way..

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Finallyfree

Having been born in a small southern town and then moving to the big northern AND becoming catholic there is another though not as we'll researched reason that some southern citizens did not like Kennedy. He was catholic and many evangelical Christians of that time period were scared by that. They thought that the pope would run our country and were terribly afraid. I actually did not tell anyone that I converted to Catholicism, at the request of my parents because they were afraid of being outcast in our small southern town. This is not historical but personal insight as to why some hated Kennedy even though they believed in the civil rights movement. We look back and think, "crazy people" now but fear makes people do and say crazy things. Great questions by the way..

I was going to mention the anticatholicism so rampant at that time too. I was too young to vote for JFK but he was really something to this young Catholic girl back then. I was a Democrat then, but became much more conservative over time as many do.

Thank heavens that our country has come so far that having a Catholic president and a black president really never became THE issue. We need good men to fill the space even if they are women. Good leaders who also know how to run a business in the black and care like they are our parent..or our child.

I can't think of anyone who can fulfill my high expectations on either side of the political aisle. We just need a solid patriot, an ethical person with common sense who is brave enough to protect us but soft enough to love us all. A Saint, and very few are saints, so someone who is trying hard to do the right thing.

JFK and Camelot. His beautiful family and that awful day is etched in my heart.

[BarryRX]

Thank you Carl and Gracie for great posts!

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I was going to mention the anticatholicism so rampant at that time too. I was too young to vote for JFK but he was really something to this young Catholic girl back then. I was a Democrat then, but became much more conservative over time as many do.

Thank heavens that our country has come so far that having a Catholic president and a black president really never became THE issue. We need good men to fill the space even if they are women. Good leaders who also know how to run a business in the black and care like they are our parent..or our child.

I can't think of anyone who can fulfill my high expectations on either side of the political aisle. We just need a solid patriot, an ethical person with common sense who is brave enough to protect us but soft enough to love us all. A Saint, and very few are saints, so someone who is trying hard to do the right thing.

JFK and Camelot. His beautiful family and that awful day is etched in my heart.

You're dreaming. If you're not willing to "play the game", you don't get support, and you don't get elected. Money gets people elected, deals get the money...plain and simple.

It's all fixed, but you don't know it. You don't know it because we can't/don't talk about it. Why is it you don't discuss religion or politics? Because they're the big lies.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by donb9006

You're dreaming. If you're not willing to "play the game", you don't get support, and you don't get elected. Money gets people elected, deals get the money...plain and simple.

It's all fixed, but you don't know it. You don't know it because we can't/don't talk about it. Why is it you don't discuss religion or politics? Because they're the big lies.

I am so sorry to say: Don, your right. It is too uncomfortable for most to admit that politics is ran by lobiests and not the voter. And, our religious leaders remind us that to question anything is a sacralig. Thank god for our young folks that will question and protest.

[Taltarzac725]

Government still withholding thousands of documents on JFK assassination - Nation - The Boston Globe

I do not believe any historian or researcher has all the information about the JFK assassination yet.

As far as lobbyists controlling the politics of the US, I doubt if that is true. Hurricane Sandy played a big part in the 2012 elections and as far as I know hurricanes do not care who is hunkering down when they are coming in, this just stay on whatever course nature put them. "Chad' and FL local politics played a big role in the 2000 election. The 2008 election seems like it was McCain's bucking the lobbyists with the choice of Sarah Palin that gave Obama the election.

Of course, advertising costs for elections do really bring the lobbyists into play a great deal.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Government still withholding thousands of documents on JFK assassination - Nation - The Boston Globe

I do not believe any historian or researcher has all the information about the JKF assassination yet.

Even way back then, I thought Jack Ruby was connected with the underworld and executed Oswald too keep the conspiracy silent. That said, he was able to reduce the power of the American racist during his short life.

[logdog]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Government still withholding thousands of documents on JFK assassination - Nation - The Boston Globe

I do not believe any historian or researcher has all the information about the JFK assassination yet.

There was a very interesting documentary on TV last week called JFK - The Smoking Gun. It showed that the fatal head shot could not have come from Oswald's gun because the entry hole was smaller than the bullet diameter that Oswald was using. Also, Oswald was using full metal jackets and JFK's head exploded from a fragmented bullet. The theory is that he was hit by an accidental discharge from an inexperienced Secret Service agent who was on the protection detail because the rest of the agents had been drinking all night.

The Secret Service destroyed their documents and autopsy evidence years ago rather than comply with a House subpoena investigating the assassination. They also gave Robert Kennedy, the AG at the time, JFK's brain which was never seen since. We'll probably never know for sure what happened that day.

[ivanhoe]

Originally Posted by logdog

There was a very interesting documentary on TV last week called JFK - The Smoking Gun. It showed that the fatal head shot could not have come from Oswald's gun because the entry hole was smaller than the bullet diameter that Oswald was using. Also, Oswald was using full metal jackets and JFK's head exploded from a fragmented bullet. The theory is that he was hit by an accidental discharge from an inexperienced Secret Service agent who was on the protection detail because the rest of the agents had been drinking all night.

The Secret Service destroyed their documents and autopsy evidence years ago rather than comply with a House subpoena investigating the assassination. They also gave Robert Kennedy, the AG at the time, JFK's brain which was never seen since. We'll probably never know for sure what happened that day.

Yes I caught that program too and although a skeptic at the start I was wondering at the end.

It started me thinking about the whole conspiracy idea and how that set the tone for the rest of the 60's (IMHO).

We were presented with so much conflicting information that almost no one was convinced of what was put forth by the commission.

On one of the many programs presented this week a commentator said that we as a group fined the fact, that one seemingly meaningless person can have such an effect on such a popular and meaningful person, too incomprehensible and so develop theories to explain the event.

I thought that a profound statement.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by ivanhoe

Yes I caught that program too and although a skeptic at the start I was wondering at the end.

It started me thinking about the whole conspiracy idea and how that set the tone for the rest of the 60's (IMHO).

We were presented with so much conflicting information that almost no one was convinced of what was put forth by the commission.

On one of the many programs presented this week a commentator said that we as a group fined the fact, that one seemingly meaningless person can have such an effect on such a popular and meaningful person, too incomprehensible and so develop theories to explain the event.

I thought that a profound statement.

Bingo! Now expand that to almost EVERYTHING and you'll begin to understand how things work! We get conflicting information about EVERYTHING. By design. We're cattle, sheep, drones, marketed to by professionals. All selling something. A product, an idea, a philosophy...

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