[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

For as long as the vaccines have been in trials and available to the public seems they should know by now if a vaccinated person can transmit the virus.
The CDC says 3' not 6' distancing is fine now....

Isn't the 3' distancing just for kids in the classroom? In fact, the adult teachers in the same classroom are recommended to keep a 6' distance from others.

[Dayeight99]

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

golfing eagles..... I'm impressed that you have dined with Dr. Fauci and am so glad to hear you admire him.

Are you saying that those who are fully vaccinated can not transmit the virus to others if, they are infected? Has that been determined yet? I've heard Dr. Fauci say that there is evidence the viral load is low in fully vaccinated people but he has yet to announce that vaccinated people can not transmit the virus to others. Have I missed that directive?

Sweetie, while it may be a goal in life to reply more times in a thread than anyone else, you are wasting your time trying to question a medical professional who has more medical knowledge in his pinky than. Well, we all know the rest.
Post away. Bless your heart.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dayeight99

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

The seasonal flu has not caused a global pandemic but I suspect you already know that.

[coffeebean]

Governor DeSantis does not approve of vaccine passports. I'm surprised by this as I thought he is supposed to assure the safety of Floridians........

Florida won’t require COVID-19 ‘vaccine passports,’ governor says

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Sweetie, while it may be a goal in life to reply more times in a thread than anyone else, you are wasting your time trying to question a medical professional who has more medical knowledge in his pinky than. Well, we all know the rest.
Post away. Bless your heart.

As far as I'm aware, I'm not your sweetie. BTW.....do I win a prize?

[bpascani]

You get a verification card dated and signed after each shot. You keep that with you (but your pcp or whoever gave the shot to you has it on file as well). I also made a hard copy of it, and have a picture of it on my cell phone

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

I could see a point where you would need to carry proof of a positive antibody test (a blood test). That would cover the case of either having had the vaccine or having had contracted the coronavirus. For example, a positive antibody test is one of three options for entry into the US Virgin Islands.

An antibody test will NOT work with these vaccinations.

[Byte1]

A lot of speculation and supposition going on here. I include myself in that statement.
I do not want to see a vaccination card for this supposed "pandemic" as a requirement for travel. I have no intention of traveling again, but I still do not wish to see limits put on travel freedoms. In my opinion, the more power you give to the gov. the more you move toward being dependent on the gov. A weakness.
I do not know whether anyone has my medical record regarding my vaccination. However, I do know that Publix had my private insurance information without me giving it to them. They had my wife's correct address, but still had my old address. I didn't have to provide them with much information, and yet they already had it.
After having my second shot weeks ago, I am still receiving calls from multiple registration sites. Since I did not keep an account of all the places we registered, I simply and patiently explain to each one the we no longer need to be on their list. Whether or not a record is kept and whether or not they should check to see if we have been vaccinated is of no concern to me. A minute of my time to update them on the phone does not hinder my activities.
Regarding the wearing of masks after being vaccinated, I do not wear it because I want to make other folks comfortable or to protect anyone else. I wear one solely because the business has posted the requirement before entering. I do not feel it is my responsibility to comfort others that do not yet have the vaccination by subjecting myself to their selfish interest. I am not hurting them by not wearing a mask. It is their problem if they get too close to me, and should stay home if they fear for their lives. My research (right or wrong) of the ability to pass on the virus once you are vaccinated, gives me the opinion that I won't. Even so, if I know that I am pretty much immune, thanks tot he vaccination I see no reason for me to continue to wear my mask. I would say that I do not care about others and their feelings, but that would suggest that I know the other folks that might be offended. I went to the trouble of obtaining my vaccination when my wife got hers, even though I do not think that I would have ever been infected. Just my opinion (right or wrong). If others do not work as hard to get vaccinated, then do not blame me for not empathizing with them. If I do not know you, then I guess it won't bother me if you pass from the virus. I do not know the folks that die from the flu, or get hit by another car while traveling on Rt75, or fall off a ladder. I am just being honest about it. As far as I am concerned, I have done my duty by getting vaccinated. Now, it is up to you to protect yourself. It is not my job to protect you. And if you think it is the gov's job to protect you from yourself, then you are a very needy person.
I want less gov interference in my life, not more.
And as far as suggesting that everyone has to show vaccination evidence to travel overseas, that is a fallacy. I have traveled most of my life and lived overseas, and rarely if ever had to prove my vaccination status. Of course, there may have been some visa requirements for vaccination documentation, but not every country cared enough to check. And I NEVER had to show it to fly internationally or domestic.
Do I worry about the person sitting next to me on a plane? I might give it a brief thought. I also trust my fate in a plane to get me safely to my destination. I know there is a great probability that at least one person has a contagious illness on a plane. I just hope that when I travel that my inherent immunity will protect me. If I am being careless, well I must be pretty lucky or blessed because it has worked for me for over 70 years.
I am not my brother's keeper so don't expect me to agree with your need for a gov nanny. If that makes me a horrible person, that seems to be your problem, not mine. I am not asking anyone to protect me, so don't expect me to worry about your protection. If you wish to wear a mask for the rest of your lives, there is no law prohibiting that practice that I know of. Just do not attempt to make such a mandate for me. I now only wear a mask in businesses that mandate it. If you have a problem with that, then stay your distance and we will both be happy.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Do you feel the same way when you have to show your passport for international travel?

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

I'm not sure if you answered by question with this reply.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm not sure if you answered by question with this reply.

Just a generalization about giving up some measure of freedom for some measure of (perceived) safety. How about a highway analogy?:

Some people drive 65 on a 70 interstate and stay in the right lane
Some people set their cruise control to 75
Some people want to go 95 and weave all over the place
And then a few bozos park themselves in the left lane at 55 because THEY feel that is fast enough

So, the 65 drivers want a state trooper every 1/2 mile to ticket anyone going 70.01
The 75 drivers don't care because they figure they'll never get a ticket for 75
The 95 drivers want no LEOs on the road, and if they do show up would like them to focus on ticketing the bozo going 55 in the left lane
And the 55 driver wants to change all the speed limits

Attitudes toward vaccine passports are pretty much the same thing

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Byte1

An antibody test will NOT work with these vaccinations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...antibody-test/


How about an antibody test to determine if the vaccine was effective?

The CDC discourages antibody testing for assessing immunity after getting the vaccine. In clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were shown to protect people against the virus 95 percent of the time and 94 percent of the time, respectively. But that does not mean everyone who gets the vaccine would test positive for antibodies, Murphy said.

Commercial antibody tests may not be searching for the same antibodies that the vaccine triggers. Someone who has had the vaccine and is immune to the virus may still test negative for certain antibodies, Murphy explained.

Mutated virus may reinfect people already stricken once with covid-19, sparking debate and concerns.

In any case, Murphy added, antibodies are only part of a person’s immune system response. Some studies have shown that protective T cells, a white blood cell that helps protect against disease, have been elevated in some patients with covid, even though the patients had no detectable antibodies.

“After the vaccines, a lot people are going to get antibody testing — ‘Oh, I want to see if it’s working.’ It actually has very little correlation,” he said. “Many people will test negative on the antibody test, and that does not mean the vaccine didn’t work.”

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Just a generalization about giving up some measure of freedom for some measure of (perceived) safety. How about a highway analogy?:

Some people drive 65 on a 70 interstate and stay in the right lane
Some people set their cruise control to 75
Some people want to go 95 and weave all over the place
And then a few bozos park themselves in the left lane at 55 because THEY feel that is fast enough

So, the 65 drivers want a state trooper every 1/2 mile to ticket anyone going 70.01
The 75 drivers don't care because they figure they'll never get a ticket for 75
The 95 drivers want no LEOs on the road, and if they do show up would like them to focus on ticketing the bozo going 55 in the left lane
And the 55 driver wants to change all the speed limits

Attitudes toward vaccine passports are pretty much the same thing

Thanks for your interesting explanation. BTW....I set the cruise control to 75.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Thanks for your interesting explanation. BTW....I set the cruise control to 75.

I would have guessed that. BTW, so do I.