[tuccillo]

Not true. What is true is that the blood based antibody test can be unreliable as a means of determining whether the individual has sufficient antibodies to prevent disease.

Originally Posted by Byte1

An antibody test will NOT work with these vaccinations.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Not true. What is true is that the blood based antibody test can be unreliable as a means of determining whether the individual has sufficient antibodies to prevent disease.

Twist it the way you will, but the way I see it is that the vaccines are not producing antibodies, therefore the test would be moot. What do you base your "not true" upon? Are you saying that the vaccines are creating antibodies and that they can be tested for? I don't know about the J&J vaccine. Maybe that one can create antibodies. I am sure that one of our "experts" can enlighten us.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Byte1

A lot of speculation and supposition going on here. I include myself in that statement.
I do not want to see a vaccination card for this supposed "pandemic" as a requirement for travel. I have no intention of traveling again, but I still do not wish to see limits put on travel freedoms. In my opinion, the more power you give to the gov. the more you move toward being dependent on the gov. A weakness.
I do not know whether anyone has my medical record regarding my vaccination. However, I do know that Publix had my private insurance information without me giving it to them. They had my wife's correct address, but still had my old address. I didn't have to provide them with much information, and yet they already had it.
After having my second shot weeks ago, I am still receiving calls from multiple registration sites. Since I did not keep an account of all the places we registered, I simply and patiently explain to each one the we no longer need to be on their list. Whether or not a record is kept and whether or not they should check to see if we have been vaccinated is of no concern to me. A minute of my time to update them on the phone does not hinder my activities.
Regarding the wearing of masks after being vaccinated, I do not wear it because I want to make other folks comfortable or to protect anyone else. I wear one solely because the business has posted the requirement before entering. I do not feel it is my responsibility to comfort others that do not yet have the vaccination by subjecting myself to their selfish interest. I am not hurting them by not wearing a mask. It is their problem if they get too close to me, and should stay home if they fear for their lives. My research (right or wrong) of the ability to pass on the virus once you are vaccinated, gives me the opinion that I won't. Even so, if I know that I am pretty much immune, thanks tot he vaccination I see no reason for me to continue to wear my mask. I would say that I do not care about others and their feelings, but that would suggest that I know the other folks that might be offended. I went to the trouble of obtaining my vaccination when my wife got hers, even though I do not think that I would have ever been infected. Just my opinion (right or wrong). If others do not work as hard to get vaccinated, then do not blame me for not empathizing with them. If I do not know you, then I guess it won't bother me if you pass from the virus. I do not know the folks that die from the flu, or get hit by another car while traveling on Rt75, or fall off a ladder. I am just being honest about it. As far as I am concerned, I have done my duty by getting vaccinated. Now, it is up to you to protect yourself. It is not my job to protect you. And if you think it is the gov's job to protect you from yourself, then you are a very needy person.
I want less gov interference in my life, not more.
And as far as suggesting that everyone has to show vaccination evidence to travel overseas, that is a fallacy. I have traveled most of my life and lived overseas, and rarely if ever had to prove my vaccination status. Of course, there may have been some visa requirements for vaccination documentation, but not every country cared enough to check. And I NEVER had to show it to fly internationally or domestic.
Do I worry about the person sitting next to me on a plane? I might give it a brief thought. I also trust my fate in a plane to get me safely to my destination. I know there is a great probability that at least one person has a contagious illness on a plane. I just hope that when I travel that my inherent immunity will protect me. If I am being careless, well I must be pretty lucky or blessed because it has worked for me for over 70 years.
I am not my brother's keeper so don't expect me to agree with your need for a gov nanny. If that makes me a horrible person, that seems to be your problem, not mine. I am not asking anyone to protect me, so don't expect me to worry about your protection. If you wish to wear a mask for the rest of your lives, there is no law prohibiting that practice that I know of. Just do not attempt to make such a mandate for me. I now only wear a mask in businesses that mandate it. If you have a problem with that, then stay your distance and we will both be happy.

All our parents raised us differently.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Kwenner

Why should anyone be forced to prove vaccination? More importantly why should anyone be forced to be a Guinea pig for something untested and unproven!

You DO realize that this vaccine has been around and tested for over 10 years? This is the SARS and MERS vaccine. The only difference is that Covid is a derivative of SARS. Its official name is SARS-CoV-2.

I think testing over a 10+ year period is sufficient and there is no doubt the vaccine is well-proven ..

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Twist it the way you will, but the way I see it is that the vaccines are not producing antibodies, therefore the test would be moot. What do you base your "not true" upon? Are you saying that the vaccines are creating antibodies and that they can be tested for? I don't know about the J&J vaccine. Maybe that one can create antibodies. I am sure that one of our "experts" can enlighten us.

CDC states you may produce antibodies.

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

are you not concerned about our country achieving safe herd immunity? That will protect those who are unable to be vaccinated because of medical issues.

As for protecting the anti-vaxxers.........they are not my concern.

bravo!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Dayeight99

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

Flu - 30,000 a year
Covid - over 600,000 a year

Pointless commentary. Lot of contagious diseases out there. Covid is a game changer. Vaccinate or stay home. I do not care.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So does George Orwell!!!

Very True! And Darwin will take care of the anti-vaxxers who don't get the vaccine.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

You DO realize that this vaccine has been around and tested for over 10 years? This is the SARS and MERS vaccine. The only difference is that Covid is a derivative of SARS. Its official name is SARS-CoV-2.

I think testing over a 10+ year period is sufficient and there is no doubt the vaccine is well-proven ..

There is no vaccine for either SARS or MERS. They attempted to come up with vaccines for them but were unsuccessful. While it is true that they are both Coronaviruses, it is also true that without a vaccine SARS ceased in just under two years and the MERS outbreak lasted just under three years.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Very True! And Darwin will take care of the anti-vaxxers who don't get the vaccine.

DO NOT quote me out of context!!!!!!!

That reference was to the nazification of travel by requiring vaccine passports, NOT about getting the vaccine, which everyone should.

[Two Bills]

Here in UK. the over 70's, front line carers, and the vulnerable have been informed they will probably be getting a booster jab around September.
This is to give better protection against recent varients, namely the South African, and the one from Brazil.
Evidently the Pfizer, and Astra Zenica vaccines are able to cope with the UK (Kent) variant.

[blueash]

I logged in just to clarify a couple things. The first few posts mention the CDC's tracking. The information being passed to the CDC has all of its personal identifying information removed. The CDC will not have your name and will not be able to verify your vaccination status.

Almost every state for many many years has had a state wide vaccine registry. I dealt with those in Ohio [click Here] and Florida [click HERE] which were very similar. The state collected names and date of birth plus some other data such as vaccinating office for every vaccine given in public health clinics and voluntarily from private offices. This data was very useful for school vaccine records and for patients who moved often and did not retain their vaccine records as I could look at the child's records and know what shots had been given and what was needed. The Covid data is piggy-backing on this system and is nothing new.