[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by Monkei

How convenient, you left out everything that happened before the altercation. Like it never happened.

There is/was no need to include it because it is/was IRRELEVANT to the case!

[ROCKETMAN]

Originally Posted by NJblue

I see a lot of posts saying that they were relieved and that the system worked. Did it? I happen to agree with what Mark O'Mara said last night: two aspects of the sysytem failed George Zimmerman. First, the media failed in its responsibility to objectively report the news and instead was used as a powerful tool of the professional rable rousers like Al Sharpton. I must admit, I too fell for this initially. I saw the distorted, one-sided reports and was convinced that Zimmerman had preyed on an innocent teenager.

Secondly, and most importantly, the legal system failed George Zimmerman. I'm sure he felt like he didn't do anything wrong and that the system would work and never press charges against him. Little did he know that our legal system no longer works like the blindfolded symbol that is used to portray it. He didn't realize that when politics get involved and people like Angela Corey get involved, your rights are thrown away and power of the state can marshalled against you with no attempt of giving you any benefit of the doubt.

Ultimately, the system did work - but only after successfully destroying a person whose primary motivation was nothing more than helping keep his neighborhood safe.

So the cops tell Zimmerman to stay in his car and he wants to play hero and ends up killing someone walking back to his house. They have a struggle and Zimmerman fears for his like but you think he would of got some blows in but not a mark on martin. Martin is strattling him with his legs tight up against zimmermans legs but magically he is able to unholster his gun and shoot martin. Lousy prosecution.

[Senak224]

The entire Zimmerman case from start to finish is sadly typical of the forces that motivate this country. If certain elements of this country are unhappy about a situation they use the media to peruse their agenda. The remainder of the country sits back and says nothing.
If the outcome of the case resulted in Zimmerman found guilty or initially in his death the liberal media and others would remain silent.

[tucson]

The testimony was that GZ was "squirming" to get out from under TM tight hold of GZ body and in doing so,GZ's jacket rose up over his waist and TM saw his gun which in turn made GZ afraid that TM would grab it (in fact he testified that he felt TM sliding his hand down towards his stomach area towards the gun and that's how GZ was able to reach for his gun.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

The 'more responsible way' was simply not to have put himself into the deadly force situation. The juror asserts that GZ had the opportunity to do that and chose not to. Again, I'm focusing on what happened BEFORE the deadly incident, just as my example of not securing a gun which may come well before a tragedy.

i thought the juror said that both tm and gz chose to enter into the confrontation - neither party chose the kind of responsibility of which you post.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I assume the term circling the car means he was close enough for the defendant to talk with him.

Why do we even have to consider TM position in life? He was not the defendant.

shucks, monkei, i don't recall reading or watching testimony that stated either tm circles gz's car of the gz circled tm with his car! was not aware of either scenario!

[ijusluvit]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

Zimmerman did not place himself into a deadly force situation. Martin placed Zimmerman into the deadly force situation.

Wow, even after what the juror said I am astounded that you could possibly believe the exact opposite.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Wow, even after what the juror said I am astounded that you could possibly believe the exact opposite.

If Martin hadn't given Zimmerrman the "beat down", Zimmerman would not have needed to use deadly force. I fail to see how you cannot see that.

[ijusluvit]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

If Martin hadn't given Zimmerrman the "beat down", Zimmerman would not have needed to use deadly force. I fail to see how you cannot see that.

Obviously you have completely ignored all of my earlier posts. Have a nice day.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Obviously you have completely ignored all of my earlier posts. Have a nice day.

Oh, I've read them. But you are half right. I probably should have ignored them. Have a nice day!

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Wow, even after what the juror said I am astounded that you could possibly believe the exact opposite.

If I was Zimmerman, I would hope for a civil trial, then if convicted, file bankruptcy and move on from there. He shot and killed the man and there should be repercoustion, but not murder. They were both guilty of being too macho.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

shucks, monkei, i don't recall reading or watching testimony that stated either tm circles gz's car of the gz circled tm with his car! was not aware of either scenario!

It is exactly what GZ told the NEN operator when he was sitting at the clubhouse. It is on tape in his own voice and words. He also told the operator at that time that he could not hear what TM was saying because he was afraid to roll down the window.

[Kelsie52]

How is this !!

GZ follows TM because there have been breakins all around

TM comes out from the darkness and asks GZ Do you have a problem with me ? --and he waits for an answer, GZ says --- I am with neihborhood watch --do you live around here and TM says --my dad lives right there --

Do you think GZ would have pulled his gun and shot him ???

[John_W]

Originally Posted by Kelsie52

How is this !!

GZ follows TM because there have been breakins all around

TM comes out from the darkness and asks GZ Do you have a problem with me ? --and he waits for an answer, GZ says --- I am with neihborhood watch --do you live around here and TM says --my dad lives right there --

Do you think GZ would have pulled his gun and shot him ???

That's exactly how the scenario would of played out in about 95% of the neighborhoods in our country. However, if you listened to his friend Chantel for more than a couple of minutes, and this is the person he was deep into conversation with. It's pretty obvious that communications skills were not at the forefront for Trayvon and Chantel. For Trayvon, his thoughts were 'whose this creepy ass cracker following me.'

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

shucks, monkei, i don't recall reading or watching testimony that stated either tm circles gz's car of the gz circled tm with his car! was not aware of either scenario!

In the GZ video of he crime scene he stares that TM circled his car and he signaled in what direction. Maybe the video was not part of the trial but it was shown a million times on TV