[Monkei]

Originally Posted by John_W

That's exactly how the scenario would of played out in about 95% of the neighborhoods in our country. However, if you listened to his friend Chantel for more than a couple of minutes, and this is the person he was deep into conversation with. It's pretty obvious that communications skills were not at the forefront for Trayvon and Chantel. For Trayvon, his thoughts were 'whose this creepy ass cracker following me.'

Wow if he only knew how truthful his statement was.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gomoho

People PLEASE this was not a stand your ground case - it was self defense. And the jury had to decide if George Zimmerman acted in self defense - period. Not who should have stayed in their car, who threw the first punch, not if Trayvon should have called 911 or run home if he was frightened, but if Zimmerman honestly believed his life was in danger and was justified in defending himself.

Self defense. Did TM have that same right? A white guy with a gun following a black kid can only result in something bad happening. No one knows, and no one, besides GZ, if TM ever saw the gun, especially before he jumped him.

I would never trust someone who assaulted a police officer in his past to ever be of sound mind and never trustworthy. You have to be pretty darn stupid to jump a cop.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

There is/was no need to include it because it is/was IRRELEVANT to the case!

How odd and convenient.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

Zimmerman did not place himself into a deadly force situation. Martin placed Zimmerman into the deadly force situation.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Wow, even after what the juror said I am astounded that you could possibly believe the exact opposite.

here's a link to the transcript of the cooper/juror37 interview that should clarify what really was said rather than what anyone thinks the juror said:

CNN transcript details juror's insights on Zimmerman verdict - Page 7 - Sun Sentinel

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by dillywho

It is exactly what GZ told the NEN operator when he was sitting at the clubhouse. It is on tape in his own voice and words. He also told the operator at that time that he could not hear what TM was saying because he was afraid to roll down the window.

thanx, dillywho! missed that part with the talking heads as well as in the televised trial. but i would not have rolled down my window either! - wouldn't even roll it down for a man in a uniform unless i was in a well=-it area with folks around! but then, i'm not male and am a long way from being 17 and brave!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Monkei

In the GZ video of he crime scene he stares that TM circled his car and he signaled in what direction. Maybe the video was not part of the trial but it was shown a million times on TV

thanx! as i posted to dillywho, i missed that with the talking heads and televised trial. if it was not a part of the trial, it could not be used by either side or the jury in their deliberation - right?

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I would never trust someone who assaulted a police officer in his past to ever be of sound mind and never trustworthy. You have to be pretty darn stupid to jump a cop.

Actually my son was involved in an almost identical altercation. Young and dumb in a bar and a buddy gets thrown down the stairs by the bouncers and the police are immediately on hit butt. My son sticks his nose in the business and asks the cops why they are arresting his friend and BOOM he is cuffed and thrown in the car too. Was reduced, just as GZ's charges were 'cause the police just plain overreacted and there was a small fine and dismissed.