[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Monkei

So using your beliefs, if I have an issue with a person who I do not like all I need to do is take my gun, follow that guy around until he approaches me and I feeling that my life is in danger can shoot that person dead? My action does not come into question? This is the reason and scenario that those whom were against this law were afraid would happen.

If things had played out as you state here, Zimmerman would be guilty. Unfortunately, your statement is far from the truth. Zimmerman didn't shoot the person when the confrontation intially occured - he tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail. If someone is actually bashing your head against the pavement, you have reason to believe that your life may be in danger.

Yes, Zimmeman put himself in danger, but that doesn't give Martin the right to bash him silly.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by NJblue

If things had played out as you state here, Zimmerman would be guilty. Unfortunately, your statement is far from the truth. Zimmerman didn't shoot the person when the confrontation intially occured - he tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail. If someone is actually bashing your head against the pavement, you have reason to believe that your life may be in danger.

Yes, Zimmeman put himself in danger, but that doesn't give Martin the right to bash him silly.

"He tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail?" The police were on their way. One officer testified yesterday that he was at the location five minutes after receiving the call.


"Bash him silly?" Did you hear the sworn testimony of the physician's assistant yesterday. Zimmerman had a cut on his head that was one centimeter long and did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but that was never determined because he didn't feel it necessary to go to the hospital the night of the attack. This did not sound like someone who was "bashed silly".

I can't believe the Mods haven't pulled the plug on this thread yet.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

"He tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail?" The police were on their way. One officer testified yesterday that he was at the location five minutes after receiving the call.


"Bash him silly?" Did you hear the sworn testimony of the physician's assistant yesterday. Zimmerman had a cut on his head that was one centimeter long and did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but that was never determined because he didn't feel it necessary to go to the hospital the night of the attack. This did not sound like someone who was "bashed silly".

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

"He tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail?" The police were on their way. One officer testified yesterday that he was at the location five minutes after receiving the call.


"Bash him silly?" Did you hear the sworn testimony of the physician's assistant yesterday. Zimmerman had a cut on his head that was one centimeter long and did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but that was never determined because he didn't feel it necessary to go to the hospital the night of the attack. This did not sound like someone who was "bashed silly".

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

and the police hopefully will be here in another five minutes...

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

Did you watch the testimony yesterday? Every witness, neighbors, were asked "Did you see Trayvon Martin pounding George Zimmerman's head on the pavement?" Everyone of the witnesses said "no".

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!

Five minutes is not that long when you are sitting in your locked truck, observing someone, waiting for the police to arrive.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Did he say that to GZ? No.

Let's just hope this jury will prove to gun carriers (of which I have been for 11 years now) that you cannot follow a person around enough to scare and annoy that person to become concerned about their safety until they turn and jump on the gun carrier resulting in being shot. I don't think that is what the law was written for.

No, he didn't say creepy ass cracker or the n word to George Zimmerman. But George Zimmerman didn't say f---ing punks to Trayvon Martin, and that was somehow turned into racial.

And how do you know he was scaring or annoying Trayvon Martin - were you there???

And I believe he fired in self defense well being beaten - the eyewitness to the fight says "Trayvon was on top of George Zimmerman in a "ground and pound" MMA style pose. He could not confirm he was bashing his head in the ground, but that his arms were moving in a downward position. It was dark and the eyewitness believes it was George Zimmerman pleading for help.

[CraigC]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Five minutes is not that long when you are sitting in your locked truck, observing someone, waiting for the police to arrive.

True, but irrelevant, because that's not what happened. Unfortunately, a fight began, and no one other than George Zimmerman and Trayvon were there when it began.

[CraigC]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

RIGHT!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

If my head were pounded on the pavement, I would expect to have some visible injuries, perhaps a concussion. The physician's assistant, who treated George Zimmerman the day after the beating, testified yesterday that the only visible injury was a one centimeter gash that did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but this was never established since he refused to go to the emergency room the night of the incident. Also, the swelling around the nose had subsided considerably by the next day.

After the beating you describe, where were the injuries?

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

Sounds like a plan, can I watch?

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Sounds like a plan, can I watch?

Might as well, that's what all the neighbors did instead of helping.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

and the police hopefully will be here in another five minutes...

Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.