[gomoho]

If the gun had been drawn and he shot Trayvon while he was standing up I might look at this differently. But the only eyewitness said Zimmerman was on the bottom and we now know Trayvon was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Point being he only pulled the gun at that point he wasn't blindly chasing him around the complex with a gun drawn.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gomoho

If the gun had been drawn and he shot Trayvon while he was standing up I might look at this differently. But the only eyewitness said Zimmerman was on the bottom and we now know Trayvon was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Point being he only pulled the gun at that point he wasn't blindly chasing him around the complex with a gun drawn.

But we then have medical professionals who said that zimmermans wounds were not significant. This trial has enough give and take both ways. But there is enough to warrant this trial and not for it to have been swept under the rug ...

[John_W]

Originally Posted by Monkei

We get it. Martin was black, he was urbam, he probably listened to rap music, he knew how to make gang signs with his fingers and he wore a hoodie at night. he had to be bad and he deserved to be followed and shot to death. i am assuming that is why you chose to post the pictures.

He didn't have to be bad, but those photos show he chose to be. Did he deserve to be followed, the leader of community watch thought so. Did he deserve to be shot? The moment he jumped another human being he put himself in that position.


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[tucson]

Re; the issue of TM screaming; why hasn't it been brought up that if it was TM screaming, then if that is true, why was he screaming? I don't remember hearing about any evidence of TM having evidence of being beaten up prior to him being shot.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Monkei

But we then have medical professionals who said that zimmermans wounds were not significant. This trial has enough give and take both ways. But there is enough to warrant this trial and not for it to have been swept under the rug ...

To that point - my husband shared an interesting sorry about when he was in the army. He got into a fight in the latrine - all concrete floors. The guy knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete. He said the pain was so excrutiating he thought he was going to black out. Head trauma does not always clearly show as well as a broken nose might.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by tucson

Re; the issue of TM screaming; why hasn't it been brought up that if it was TM screaming, then if that is true, why was he screaming? I don't remember hearing about any evidence of TM having evidence of being beaten up prior to him being shot.

Tucson - good point. Normally people beating someone up aren't screaming for help while they are doing it. And why would he be screaming and not show any evidence of injury? And the only eyewitness clearly states George Zimmerman was on the bottom and someone was screaming for help.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Tucson - good point. Normally people beating someone up aren't screaming for help while they are doing it. And why would he be screaming and not show any evidence of injury? And the only eyewitness clearly states George Zimmerman was on the bottom and someone was screaming for help.

Gomoho, exactly, this has been bothering me from the beginning of this case! I hope the jury is also thinking along these lines. WHY hasn't the defense brought this issue to the forefront of their defense, or do you think they're waiting for the ME to take the stand?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Of course the police did such a sloppy investigation, they never tested Zimm's blood, so we'll never know if he did have excessive amounts of the amphetamine in his system.

Doesn't this make your statement about Zimmerman taking drugs pure speculation? Is it possible that if Zimm had exhibited signs of being under the influence of drugs, it would have prompted the police to test his blood?

[ugotme]

Simple - NO ONE here knows or will EVER know what really happened.

Opinions? we are all entitled to them.

I will not opine because I am not watching every minute of the trial.

Therefore. . . Let justice be done !

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gomoho

To that point - my husband shared an interesting sorry about when he was in the army. He got into a fight in the latrine - all concrete floors. The guy knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete. He said the pain was so excrutiating he thought he was going to black out. Head trauma does not always clearly show as well as a broken nose might.

Well did he shoot him to death?

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Well did he shoot him to death?

I can't believe you even said that to me. This was a pre-arranged fight - no one was ambushed. My husband was only able to get away because a plunger was in reach that he started beating the guy in the head with. At that point they agreed to stop.

My point was you can sustain quite a head beating and there be no evidence; however, I don't think you are willing to see things as they might be, but rather as you wish them to be.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by gomoho

To that point - my husband shared an interesting sorry about when he was in the army. He got into a fight in the latrine - all concrete floors. The guy knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete. He said the pain was so excrutiating he thought he was going to black out. Head trauma does not always clearly show as well as a broken nose might.

My brother died from a fractured skull caused from a fall and there was no open wounds, cuts or blood on his head. So , it IS true as you stated re;head wounds.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Doesn't this make your statement about Zimmerman taking drugs pure speculation? Is it possible that if Zimm had exhibited signs of being under the influence of drugs, it would have prompted the police to test his blood?

In a murder investigation I would think they would investigate everything pertinent. If the paramedic report said that he was on an amphetamine, you would think the police would have tested his blood for drugs and alcohol, particularly since he killed someone.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by mickey100

In a murder investigation I would think they would investigate everything pertinent. If the paramedic report said that he was on an amphetamine, you would think the police would have tested his blood for drugs and alcohol, particularly since he killed someone.

Fair enough - and today the medical examiner said he changed his opinion and the amount of marijuana in Trayvon's blood could have affected his judgement - yet the judge would not allow that testimony.

Never hear anything about Zimmerman on amphetmaines - could you please provide a link.

[buggyone]

Well, the judge said the State showed enough evidence in their argument that the trial can proceed for 2nd degree murder. Zimmerman's high priced mouthpiece failed to convince the judge to toss the case.