[Monkei]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

And that is a VERY good thing! If Zimmerman had not been armed Martin's sucker punch and ground and pound could have left him a vegetable, an invalid or beaten to death.

And GZ would never have gone where he did if he did not have a weapon. Let's face it, he is a weak, out of shape man (according to the defense). But he had the big 9mm equalizer.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by twheel

Its self defence,not stand your ground. And self defence is NOT immoral.

Like I said, the stand your ground law in the State of Florida should be stricken from the books. The defense claims self defense and luckily for him he killed the kid, so there is no one to contradict his story.

One statement of GZ tells me all I needed to know about him. When asked if he would do anything differently he answered no and smiled. That sums him up to me quite neatly.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by USSGompers

I'm sorry but the law does not have "Stand YOUR Ground" in it. This is what it says:

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

As you see, it says 'the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force', etc.

If you were watching the trial today, you would have seen how important it is to have every comma and every period in place.

I'm getting dizzy from all the SPIN!

gee, I guess someone just came up with the "stand your ground" phrase out of the blue, they must not have gotten it from the STAND YOUR GROUND pprtion of the law.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gomoho

And the reason Trayvon didn't run right home when a "creepy ass cracker" was supposedly following him???

thats a good question, one I surely can't ... and neither can Martin ... because the guy who provoked him and following him SHOT him.

[twheel]

Originally Posted by Monkei

gee, I guess someone just came up with the "stand your ground" phrase out of the blue, they must not have gotten it from the STAND YOUR GROUND pprtion of the law.

What part of self defence,not stand your ground,are people not understanding ? I give up .

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by twheel

What part of self defence,not stand your ground,are people not understanding ? I give up .

me too.

[jebartle]

during defense closing

Originally Posted by DougB

I believe Judge Nelson said no to the phone records.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

You are correct. I stand corrected. Corey decided against using the grand jury and made the decision on her own, which she could do since it was not a capital murder case.


Angela Corey: No grand jury in Trayvon Martin case | Tampa Bay Times

Probably never would have gotten past a grand jury and she knew that.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by janmcn

You must have seen an entirely different closing argument than I watched. The prosecution just proved all the inconsistencies uttered by George Zimmerman. The common personality trait that these killers, such as Zimmerman and Scott Peterson have is they think they are smarter than everybody else. And how long has Peterson been sitting on death row?

In addition to Zimmerman's thinking he's smart is the history of racial relations in Sanford where nobody was ever convicted for killing a black person. He had lived there long enough to know this dark history.

The prosecution's closing statement is to provide answers not questions for the jury to consider. He kept saying well GZ said this, but what if this. He didn't prove his case - he simply gave the jury more questions to ponder.

I can't for the life of me understand how you jump from GZ to Scott Peterson. And why didn't anything else show up that portrayed GZ as a diabolical killer who thinks he is smarter than anyone else. Facts please.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

In addition to Zimmerman's thinking he's smart is the history of racial relations in Sanford where nobody was ever convicted for killing a black person. He had lived there long enough to know this dark history.

I did several searches and could find no record on this either way. NO convictions for any homicide in Sanford having a black victim? Please provide a citation or link. Thank you in advance.

[manaboutown]

Here is a little background information on the crimes that had been committed in the gated community, the demographic of who was committing them and Zimmerman's past experience with what had happened when he had called the police and waited for them to show up. Ann Coulter - July 10, 2013 - THIS YEAR'S DUKE LACROSSE CASE

[dillywho]

If GZ was truly acting in self defense, why all the outright lies? Not just inconsistencies, but lies.

1) TM jumped out of the bushes
2 )TM just appeared out of the darkness
3) TM walked toward him

Which was it? Why lie? People who have absolutely nothing to hide don't lie.

Why all the embellishments to his story? His story just kept evolving with each police interview. I listened to all that were out there. He even said in one that he actually "forgot" that he had his gun on him and only remembered when he felt TM trying to get it. Really? In another on, he said that he always had his gun except at his job.

He told the dispatcher that TM was running; told Hannity that he was not running, just skipping/walking fast to get somewhere. Yep, away from GZ. GZ went in pursuit.

The dispatcher advised GZ not to follow, but he did. The dispatcher testified that they cannot order anyone to do anything, but they can advise. It was not an order and he was under no obligation to stop. He said in his written statement that he was ordered not to follow so he stopped. Apparently he didn't understand that the dispatcher could not order him to do anything. By the same criteria, he had no obligation to find TM for the dispatcher just because he asked what TM was "doing now". GZ said that he had lost him, so why did he continue to look for him? That infamous address he said he was looking for when he continued to follow "in the same direction" he saw TM? He never called the NEN dispatcher back to tell him he had an address for them when he got to the end. He had plenty of time to call before he started back in the other direction.

How can anyone believe anything this man says? He didn't even level with his own defense team when they were trying to get him out on bond. He and his wife knew their jailhouse conversations were being recorded, so they talked in "code" to transfer and hide money. He turned over his ready-to-expire passport to his attorney, but had his wife conceal his new one. Not a real stand-up guy in my book. Not included in the trial, but still goes to credibility and character.

Many juries are charged with finding lesser included charges. Anthony was. As to when those are supposed to come in, I don't know. I don't even know if it matters when.

If he had just said that TM was trying to take his gun away from him when he had him down, that would probably have been the end of it. He just had to continue to make himself out a big hero. He lied when the truth would have served him much better all the way around.

As for having nothing better to do, when you have to be at home 24/7 for an extended period of time, you don't really have anything better to do than watch. Good lessons to be learned about how things really work in the courts. Having served on juries, I understand what the jurors are facing. They are not privy to all the coverage, blogs, pundits, interviews by parties involved, etc. They are limited to what is presented to them when they are in the courtroom. Period.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Go to google.com, type in Sanford, FL, history of racial violence and 220,000 links popped up. Take your pick. Here is just one example.


Sanford, Florida Has a History of Brutal Racist Oppression: KKK Once Drove Hall-Of-Famer Jackie Robinson Out of Town | All Things Crime

The Jackie Robinson incident occurred in 1946 and has absolutely nothing to do with my question since it had nothing to do with a homicide. I still cannot find anything to verify your allegation that there have been no convictions for Sanford homicides where the victims were black. Where are the citations or links?

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Monkei

And GZ would never have gone where he did if he did not have a weapon. Let's face it, he is a weak, out of shape man (according to the defense). But he had the big 9mm equalizer.

And Martin surely noticed Zimmerman was weak and out of shape. Martin figured Zimmerman would be a pushover to sucker punch and ground and pound. Big mistake!

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

If he truly was getting your brains pounded against the pavement, why would you think he'd say otherwise?

If I was truly getting my brains bashed in I would have definitely said that if I had to do it again I would not done the same thing.