[Patty55]

Originally Posted by CMANN

Just a couple of question if you can answer them as stated...

1. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had a gun in your hand, what would you do?

2. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had nothing in your hand, what would you do?

Try to be honest.

1. I would have taken the same shot GZ did.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

1. Shoot in the air.

2. Try to throw the person off.

I agree with the Zimmerman jury, however, a 17 year old kid still is dead with parents still grieving. Zimmerman was hardly in the right to use deadly force in this situation. There will probably be a wrongful death suit coming from the family of Trayvon Martin and I hope they get a jury as fair as this one. Doubt if Zimmerman will like that verdict.

The only circumstance in which I plan to pull a gun is to kill.
Shoot in the air past someone sitting on me who is smashing my head into concrete after knocking me down with a punch?
Might as well just give him the gun because he's going to take it away from me.
Hypothetically, use me as the victim. I'm over 60 and female.
Should I shoot into the air and try to squirm away?

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Wonder WHAT would have happened to both of their lives if this had not occurred?

Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill? Would Trayvon Martin go on to have a successful career and become a pillar of society?

Most of us THINK we know. We might be surprised, and we might not.

In situations that are very murky as to law and to common sense, we only have our own private opinions and the older we get, and the more we see things happen, the more I trust the wisdom of age.

I know what I think.

You know what you think.

There are no easy answers and exceptions to all of the rules.

Beautiful! I only wish I could verbalize my thoughts and feelings as well as you. Thank you for doing it for me.

[batman911]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Ditto. Our wish as well. Everyone should live in peace and not try to stir up riots and civil discord in the streets, etc.

Or how about, "Get a job"........

For anyone interested, as was my husband....as to how many folks are incarcerated by percentage of the various races in the United States......just type in to your search engine:

"Incarcerated in the United States" Wikipedia.

If you keep scrolling downward there are many graphs showing who exactly is in jail...........the percentage etc. Also, info on prisons....

Or, type in "What percentage of black males are in prison"
Wikipedia will automatically come up.......

No one wants to hear it, but we've had a recent insurgence of city gangs who have come up to our little town to sell drugs......hook up with dumb young gals, move in with them and do their business. The police have cracked down on a large number of them.

Just the other day, one came up from the city to Albany, N.Y. where he got a taxi cab to our town........a young "on the ball" cop noticed something wrong with the taxi's sticker..........and investigated. The cab had been told to pull into our local Chinese restaurant's parking lot which is where the cop apprehended a large amount of HEROIN. The city gang member is arrested under a huge bail............no need to profile them. You can see them.

No one in this town was ever afraid to walk the streets when we were raising our family. All the police, detectives, F.B.I. in Vermont know they are coming up from the cities to sell drugs up here...........where they stand out in a crowd, let's just say.

The people in jail have committed crimes and color of skin has nothing to do with it. If you do the crime, you do the time. Or maybe we should say "we already have 10% green people in jail so you get to go free". Is that what you really want?

[DaleMN]

My perception of the population that participates on TOTV is changing dramatically.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

The only circumstance in which I plan to pull a gun is to kill.
Shoot in the air past someone sitting on me who is smashing my head into concrete after knocking me down with a punch?
Might as well just give him the gun because he's going to take it away from me.
Hypothetically, use me as the victim. I'm over 60 and female.
Should I shoot into the air and try to squirm away?

I am a male and am about 215 lbs and 6.1. I was answering from my own perspective. That's how the question was addressed. What would you do in that situation?

That's a different situation for a woman. And from the trial it seemed like Martin pushed Zimmerman's head against the concrete maybe once or twice. It still is not clear to me when Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun? Was this in a holster? Tucked in his shirt and covered up by it?

A stun gun would have been a much better weapon for Zimmerman to be carrying.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I a male and am about 215 lbs and 6.1. I was answering from my own perspective. That's how the question was addressed. What would you do in that situation?

That's a different situation for a woman. And from the trial it seemed like Martin pushed Zimmerman's head against the concrete maybe once or twice. It still is not clear to me when Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun? Was this in a holster? Tucked in his shirt and covered up by it?

A stun gun would have been a much better weapon for Zimmerman to be carrying.

I wouldn't be all too sure Martin ever knew Zimmerman had a gun. If he was beating him as bad as is claimed and if Zimmerman is so soft, doesn't appear it would have been hard for Martin to have taken the gun if he had seen it.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

My perception of the population that participates on TOTV is changing dramatically.

A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Thank goodness, Gov Scott was fired up and ready to go to prevent any demonstrations from taking place last night. Scott was the one who stepped up to the plate and appointed the special prosecutor, Angela Corey (R-Duval).

[cbg150]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

My perception of the population that participates on TOTV is changing dramatically.

I have to say mine is too!


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[gomoho]

[QUOTE=janmcn;708119]A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Why??? because we are human and have strong opinions, because we believe in the jury system, because we can see beyond the race baiting in this tragedy and look at the evidence. I highly resent the patronizing attitude that because we believe differently than you we must somehow be deficient and not what you think The Villages should be. I think the biggest difference between your thinking and the rest of ours is we welcome all opinions, not just the ones that agree with us.

[Bucco]

[quote=gomoho;708208]

Originally Posted by janmcn

A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Why??? because we are human and have strong opinions, because we believe in the jury system, because we can see beyond the race baiting in this tragedy and look at the evidence. I highly resent the patronizing attitude that because we believe differently than you we must somehow be deficient and not what you think The Villages should be. I think the biggest difference between your thinking and the rest of ours is we welcome all opinions, not just the ones that agree with us.

Good post...thanks for being "hard" and I wish you had been harder.

The one thing in this area of discussion, ie., those folks posting that really has irked me is the posters on here posting guilt and innocence BEFORE any trial and with no evidence and actually while the police investigation was still in progress.

Folks actually ROOTING for one or another side as if it were a sporting event.

I have read posts on here WAY BACK EARLY ON that were almost lifted from the tv screen and MSNBC...almost word for word. Folks telling others how to think and what to say.

THAT bothers me about Villagers for sure, and you are so correct. Folks only care about one opinion and that would be theirs. Ask a civil question of a poster that has an answer that may make them uncomfortable they simply ignore such question.

All of us have notions, ideas, beliefs and many of us feel strongly. You cannot change those feelings and that is not what I suggest.

The problem is, we have no political board any longer but this has been a political issue and it should never have been...it should be about the LAW and nothing else.

It is not over folks....not even close. Zimmerman may have been found not guilty but the chase will continue.

I was living parttime in Tampa when this took place and so much discussion on the street concerning another racial killing in Jacksonville where a mentally retarded white man was beaten to death by 4 black males and they admitted it was because the guy was white.......CNN actually made mention of the case but never mentioned the color of anyone's skin or the motive in the killing.

Those criticizing Villagers, and making dumb statements about questioning the folks who live here need to get out a bit. A very very small portion of Villagers post or read this TOTV, sorry....but it is just a fact of life.

Because someone has a gun, legally.....why does that disqualify them as a Villager in some way ? Because someone believes in the neighborhood watch system......why does that disqualify them as a Villager. Because someone thought Zimmerman was not guilty and should now be left alone..why does that disqualify them as a Villager?

Lots of judging going on that is for sure !!!

My interest is the politics of this....I trust the judicial system...not perfect, but I trust that most times they get it right.......my postings were about the political interference into the investigation and the continued interference. I would have ignored this thing entirely but I know how the investigation was just plain taken off course by politics and that really bothers me...obviously more than most I guess based on the comments but if we allow it to continue and this has no left or right bias to it.......we really really have more serious problems in this country than I thought.

If that makes me not qualified to live in The Villages, where I have been for 13 years....ok.....but I am not questioning anyone else as others want to do.

I do not have that right as others seem to feel they do.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Bucco

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Because someone has a gun, legally.....why does that disqualify them as a Villager in some way ?

i wonder how many posters here know that the villages has its own gun club and how many villagers own their own guns....
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...illages-62207/

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

i wonder how many posters here know that the villages has its own gun club and how many villagers own their own guns....
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...illages-62207/

It appears that there are posters who know very little unless their "source" tells them about it, what their opinion is.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Wonder WHAT would have happened to both of their lives if this had not occurred?

Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill? Would Trayvon Martin go on to have a successful career and become a pillar of society?

Most of us THINK we know. We might be surprised, and we might not.

In situations that are very murky as to law and to common sense, we only have our own private opinions and the older we get, and the more we see things happen, the more I trust the wisdom of age.

I know what I think.

You know what you think



There are no easy answers and exceptions to all of the rules.

I am shocked at your response, " Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill"... You state this as if George Zimmerman was possibly destined to kill someone.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by janmcn

A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Thank goodness, Gov Scott was fired up and ready to go to prevent any demonstrations from taking place last night. Scott was the one who stepped up to the plate and appointed the special prosecutor, Angela Corey (R-Duval).

It there a single positive thing anyone can say about Angela Corey, the States's Attorney? Her problems regarding her firing a staff attorney for whistle blowing may not be over for a long time. It is becoming clear that the staff attorney was concerned that the State's Attorney's Office was doing something unethical and perhaps illegal in withholding evidence from Zimmerman's defence team. Corey terminated him. I now see the taxpayers paying a hugh settlement for illegal termination.