Originally Posted by TallerTrees

Chels: I was FOR the premise of the Iraq war for our information.

Agree -- don't change the subject. Are you from Chicago? You sound a lot like someone I didn't vote for.

These tax hikes are NOT related to the Iraq war. They are being forced upon the citizens of this country to promote Socialism, more big government, everything our Founders left England to escape.

Yes! I'm from Chicago, but you tell that by looking to the right. That seems to be the only way you can look!

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

What tax hikes?
Unless you are earning over250K per year, and those hikes would have happened anyway if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire on schedule.

The "tax hike" that bothers me the most, and I am nowhere near to knowledgeable on this, is the one that will happen because of the "war" on anything corporate.

Seems to me that the taking away of anything beneficial with taxes relative to the corporations will translate into higher costs for all of us. Corporations dont pay taxes, they never have under any administration...it will be added to the cost of goods. This applies to energy, etc.

Chels:

LOL I didn't even pay attention to your bio/pic. Sorry. It's not that bad.

But, on subject, don't let the facts keep you from the truth. I'm not right or left. I want this country to survive and I see it going down the tubes under this admin. That's not to say that Republicans are not just as bad. But if you read at all, you can see that I have written often about getting representatives who share Conservative values and are Constitutionalists to run in primaries and oust these lifers in Congress. It's a process. It won't happen overnight, but this nation cannot afford to sit silent any longer. Actions have consequences and as a United States citizen I have and we all have to dig out of this mess so that our kids will at least have as much as I did growing up.

Our President and his administration are sickening and destructive and dangerous. I'd say it is time for a REAL CHANGE. The change BHO has brought you can take back to Chicago.

So getting back to the posting subject.
How many of you was at The Tea Party and Pay taxes I did not see any of what some of you are posting?

Da Sgt

Whew! Just in time. E-filed today. Regarding the tea parties...very interesting. A response that big is very telling, and represents, as does any gathering, only a portion of those concerned with the issue. As for being "sponsored" by FOX News. Not true. Encouraged. Yes. Appreciated. Yes. and Covered by....yes, (unlike the NY Times who doesn't see a story here. Nor do any of the other arms of Tass or Pravda.

Hi, just saw an excellent documentary and you can watch the entire thing on you tube. Here is the link

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=related[/ame]

Originally Posted by TallerTrees

Chels:

LOL I didn't even pay attention to your bio/pic. Sorry. It's not that bad.

But, on subject, don't let the facts keep you from the truth. I'm not right or left. I want this country to survive and I see it going down the tubes under this admin. That's not to say that Republicans are not just as bad. But if you read at all, you can see that I have written often about getting representatives who share Conservative values and are Constitutionalists to run in primaries and oust these lifers in Congress. It's a process. It won't happen overnight, but this nation cannot afford to sit silent any longer. Actions have consequences and as a United States citizen I have and we all have to dig out of this mess so that our kids will at least have as much as I did growing up.

Our President and his administration are sickening and destructive and dangerous. I'd say it is time for a REAL CHANGE. The change BHO has brought you can take back to Chicago.

I did show up at the Crown Point rally. There was a good representation of people. From talking to several of the people they were there for different reasons. I for one don't want my taxes going up to pay for waste. Crook county Illinois is a good example.

Originally Posted by chelsea24

My guess is that your portfolios are more important than the thousands of lives lost. :

This is incredibly offensive to me. You seem to be a fun person otherwise, Chelsea; why do you have to say things like this?

This was certainly not meant for you personally, and if you took it that way I apologize. However, I am offended that thousands of people decided to take action in an event sponsored by Fox news (propaganda) literally took action over taxes as opposed to protesting the wrongful war in Iraq.

Now people will quibble over the word "sponsored", so let's just say Fox News promoted it, organized it , and suckered people into it.

The taxes are being raised if you make $250K or more. It's a false scenario. I am a fun loving person but I can't ignore a wrong. And to make such a silly, non-productive fuss over something that's about money and not wrongfully killed American youngsters causes me to put my funny bone away. The war cost over 3 Trillion dollars and still going. The war cost close to 5000 lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives and still counting. Someone is dying every minute due to lack of food or water, while the right wing is out having a T.E.A. party.

So Barb, sorry if I offended YOU. See, I'M offended too.

Originally Posted by chelsea24

This was certainly not meant for you personally, and if you took it that way I apologize. However, I am offended that thousands of people decided to take action in an event sponsored by Fox news (propaganda) literally took action over taxes as opposed to protesting the wrongful war in Iraq.

Now people will quibble over the word "sponsored", so let's just say Fox News promoted it, organized it , and suckered people into it.

The taxes are being raised if you make $250K or more. It's a false scenario. I am a fun loving person but I can't ignore a wrong. And to make such a silly, non-productive fuss over something that's about money and not wrongfully killed American youngsters causes me to put my funny bone away. The war cost over 3 Trillion dollars and still going. The war cost close to 5000 lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives and still counting. Someone is dying every minute due to lack of food or water, while the right wing is out having a T.E.A. party.

So Barb, sorry if I offended YOU. See, I'M offended too.

First of all, many people do not see the Iraq War as wrongful, and actually took the time to understand the why and how of it. We've debated the Iraq war issue several times on this forum, and we all have our viewpoints. None are wrongful, just different. I happen to agree with the war, but my perspective is probably based on a different information stream, and not one out to seek supportive zealots.

As far as who organized what, it seemed okay for many what ACORN and others did as "community organizers." Or is that role only permissible for the Democratic Party selected and approved folk?

Regarding the over-$250K per year folk, why should they or anyone pay more than tax than someone else? If we are to have a tax based on productivity - and that's what it is - then the rate should be level and not exploitive against a minority population by the majority population. There is no difference in taxing a racial minority at a higher rate than taxing an economic minority at a higher rate. Or should we start looking at taxing religious minorities at a higher rate. Or should we tax tall people at a different rate than short people. Worse yet, should we tax over-60 people (a definite minority) at a higher rate than the under-60? Where's the cut line? We are all equal or we are not.

That's what the tea parties are all about - equality. Do we really believe in it, or is it a fluid concept which we manipulate for our own convenience?

I'm sorry... But NOW you want equality! My, my. So you've think we've come a long way baby? Equality in taxes! Ha! Do you think because we've elected our first black President that the African-American's think they suddenly have equality? Do you think that women STILL being paid less than a man for the same (if not better) job think they have equality? Do you think the teachers in the ghetto schools think they have the same resources, tools and equality as others in more affluent neighborhoods? Do you think the middle class gets equal health care to the so-called upper class? The answer is a resounding NO!

But! People will leave their recliners or the golf course or some Mahjongg game to protest for tax equality! Equality in America is still a far away dream. Wake up! And if I were you I would be careful about preaching this argument on the basis of equality -- you might just sound like a "dreaded" socialist!

Originally Posted by SteveZ

Regarding the over-$250K per year folk, why should they or anyone pay more than tax than someone else?

Sure, give those millionaires more breaks. Absolutely! Fox News says its the right thing to do.
Take those tax cuts for all of us who don't make $250,000 and give it back to the rich. We love the rich. They trickle down their wealth to us.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Sure, give those millionaires more breaks. Absolutely! Fox News says its the right thing to do.
Take those tax cuts for all of us who don't make $250,000 and give it back to the rich. We love the rich. They trickle down their wealth to us.

What I loath about your ilk is the way you sanctimoniously preach lowering the status of the rich rather than raising the status of the less affluent. Class warfare is your tool. It is the worse kind of envy.

Yoda

PS This is not directed at you personally.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

First of all, many people do not see the Iraq War as wrongful, and actually took the time to understand the why and how of it. We've debated the Iraq war issue several times on this forum, and we all have our viewpoints. None are wrongful, just different. I happen to agree with the war, but my perspective is probably based on a different information stream, and not one out to seek supportive zealots.

As far as who organized what, it seemed okay for many what ACORN and others did as "community organizers." Or is that role only permissible for the Democratic Party selected and approved folk?

Regarding the over-$250K per year folk, why should they or anyone pay more than tax than someone else? If we are to have a tax based on productivity - and that's what it is - then the rate should be level and not exploitive against a minority population by the majority population. There is no difference in taxing a racial minority at a higher rate than taxing an economic minority at a higher rate. Or should we start looking at taxing religious minorities at a higher rate. Or should we tax tall people at a different rate than short people. Worse yet, should we tax over-60 people (a definite minority) at a higher rate than the under-60? Where's the cut line? We are all equal or we are not.

That's what the tea parties are all about - equality. Do we really believe in it, or is it a fluid concept which we manipulate for our own convenience?

You've got it right Steve, everybody pays the same $10, $100, $1000 send in whatever you want. Want to start a war let's have a bake sale! Maybe that's why we sent our troops into Iraq in unarmored Humvees, we didn't sell enough cookies! Let's cut out the Iraq bailout, a waste of money and lives started by two guys who had "better things to do" when they had their chance to serve. How come protesting during the sixties was unpatriotic but not now?

I'm always amused by the hatred of FOX News. They have more Democrats who have their own shows or are guests on shows, than all the other networks combined, have Republicans. I guess the fact that Republicans are allowed on FOX News is to much to handle.
When did $250,000 become a million? The rich already pay a huge percentage of the tax bill. How much is enough???