Originally Posted by Wiotte

People can’t be controlled, guns can. Don’t you agree ?


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No I am too wise to agree. The city of Chicago would be the example of how guns can't be controlled. Your wasting your time, the solution has NOTHING to do with gun control. You have to change the culture.

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Originally Posted by Guest

It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


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Deflection is not an argument.. Once you run out of your talking points is this where the conversation goes?

Originally Posted by Wiotte

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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The NRA funds a lot of safety programs, funds a lot of field target competitions, and works to protect gun owners rights. Do you think those gang bangers in Detroit are members of the NRA..

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Originally Posted by Wiotte

It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


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Your not Trump...

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Originally Posted by Kenswing

Deflection is not an argument.. Once you run out of your talking points is this where the conversation goes?

I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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Morford: White men with guns are America’s real terrorists – and the NRA is enabling them


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How NRA Advertising Changed The Second Amendment–And American Gun Cult


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Originally Posted by Guest

I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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Wrong about what? I'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. We all know that gun violence is a problem. To hang your entire argument on guns being the problem is just myopic.

The NRA is Literally a Death Cult – Betsy F. Yerguns – Medium


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Originally Posted by Kenswing

Wrong about what? I'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. We all know that gun violence is a problem. To hang your entire argument on guns being the problem is just myopic.

The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


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Originally Posted by Guest

The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


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Hmm.. You want to blame the NRA for other people's actions?

Putting that aside what is your idea of common sense gun laws? In addition to the many laws we already have what would you like to see added?

The NRA is a powerful political force — but not because of its money - Vox


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Originally Posted by Kenswing

Hmm.. You want to blame the NRA for other people's actions?



Putting that aside what is your idea of common sense gun laws? In addition to the many laws we already have what would you like to see added?

What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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Originally Posted by Guest

What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

Originally Posted by Guest

Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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Want to take a guess as to the amount of killings committed by WHITES...not Hispanics pretending to be white...or negros??? About 10:1...hundreds are killed in Chicago each year and it's not white people doing it.

Outlaw guns and they'll start using more trucks. Killers will find a way to kill.

Originally Posted by Guest

Once you need to start calling people names you've already lost the argument.. So much for informed rational debate.

No...it means the other person is infuriatingly stupid...something you won't find in a real debate. There are no judges here to say WTF are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Guest

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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How many will need to die before we realize that minorities shouldn't have guns? 90% of the violence comes from them. THEY are the REAL uneducated...go to a black school and SEE just HOW uneducated that are!

Originally Posted by Guest

I'll ask once more. Please articulate your solution to this problem. I'm truly interested. I would love to see gun violence curtailed.

Ban minorities from having guns...it's the ONLY way to cut down on gun violence...up to 90%. Place metal detectors at the entrance to ALL public housing they're not supposed to have guns there anyway. You don't get in without going through security.

But what do we care how many blacks kill each other. You're worried about that 1 in a billion when a white guy flips out.

Originally Posted by Guest

No I am too wise to agree. The city of Chicago would be the example of how guns can't be controlled. Your wasting your time, the solution has NOTHING to do with gun control. You have to change the culture.

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You CAN'T change the minority culture...they were stupid and violent back home...they'll be stupid and violent here too...and THEY are becoming the majority. America is DOOMED.

Originally Posted by Guest

The NRA funds a lot of safety programs, funds a lot of field target competitions, and works to protect gun owners rights. Do you think those gang bangers in Detroit are members of the NRA..

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Blacks aren't members of anything except black gangs. They don't join clubs. Blacks wouldn't live like us if we all traded places with them. If we took all the white people in the villages and put them in a black inner city...and took the black people from the inner city and put them here in the villages...WHAT do you think would happen? What?

The inner city neighborhood would be cleaned up and the villages would become another black sh!thole.

Originally Posted by Guest

What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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You want to be a slave wiotte...the ONLY difference between a slave and a citizen is citizens can defend themselves.

Originally Posted by Guest

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

The "gun problem" is an inner city minority problem when you look at the big picture. A white guy going nuts and killing a bunch of people is/was rare. Minorities killing people vs whites is 9 to 1. Killings in the inner cities go unreported because nobody cares. How many in Chicago so far this year? Is it a record yet? Those are MINORITIES killing people...9:1.

Blacks are a different species...they are not us...you might start by figuring out WHY a dog is gentle and a wolf is dangerous. Wolves and dogs are similar but a different species...blacks are similar but a different species...up to 1/20th genetically different from EVERY other race.

I'm just the messenger.