Originally Posted by Kenswing

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

My solution is more doable than yours. As it is, how many large mental institutions still exist. Everyone that needs to be in one is an outpatient on tax funded meds and therapy. We all ready know why people kill other people. An engineered cultural shift will never happen. Confiscation is the only workable solution. Guns make it too easy to kill many in a short period of time. More guns equals more death by gun.


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Originally Posted by Guest

My solution is more doable than yours. As it is, how many large mental institutions still exist. Everyone that needs to be in one is an outpatient on tax funded meds and therapy. We all ready know why people kill other people. An engineered cultural shift will never happen. Confiscation is the only workable solution. Guns make it too easy to kill many in a short period of time. More guns equals more death by gun.


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FREEDOM...is messy wiotte...but I choose it and the risks that go with it...over slavery.

When someone tells you what you can and can't do...it's slavery. ALL governments enslave to a point...the point is to keep it to a minimum...and it's CERTAINLY not to give up your means to defense. What are YOU going to do when 6 n!@@ers breaks into your house? Call the police? I hope you have a panic button... Have you read the news about what they do to old white people? JUST as bad as any story about white people doing things to blacks.

Blacks ARE inferior in almost every way. They are jealous of us and hate us for being so much smarter. They will NOT be kind as minorities become 80% of the population.

Originally Posted by Wiotte

I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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First of all, I am not in an argument with you. Secondly, you are the one that is wrong on this subject. You want to disregard common sense, anyplace that has strictest gun laws has the most violent crimes. It is the culture that causes the problem (not the gun, knife, bomb, or truck).
The media over the next few days will inform us of every nuance of the shooter, they will not portray him as a coward, instead they will make him a villain. They will give him more than 15 minutes in the lime light...

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Then you need to propose a solution:
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Then you need to defend your possible solution from those who feel that ANY solution is infringing upon their "2nd Amendment" rights....when it is really the NRA that funds politicians who ignore gun violence, and fund against politicians who want to make common sense improvements on the current laws.

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Originally Posted by Guest

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

Evidently you know NOTHING about Chicago: The truth — and lies — about Chicago's gun laws
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Originally Posted by Don Baldwin

Want to take a guess as to the amount of killings committed by WHITES...not Hispanics pretending to be white...or negros??? About 10:1...hundreds are killed in Chicago each year and it's not white people doing it.

Outlaw guns and they'll start using more trucks. Killers will find a way to kill.



No...it means the other person is infuriatingly stupid...something you won't find in a real debate. There are no judges here to say WTF are you talking about?



How many will need to die before we realize that minorities shouldn't have guns? 90% of the violence comes from them. THEY are the REAL uneducated...go to a black school and SEE just HOW uneducated that are!



Ban minorities from having guns...it's the ONLY way to cut down on gun violence...up to 90%. Place metal detectors at the entrance to ALL public housing they're not supposed to have guns there anyway. You don't get in without going through security.

But what do we care how many blacks kill each other. You're worried about that 1 in a billion when a white guy flips out.



You CAN'T change the minority culture...they were stupid and violent back home...they'll be stupid and violent here too...and THEY are becoming the majority. America is DOOMED.



Blacks aren't members of anything except black gangs. They don't join clubs. Blacks wouldn't live like us if we all traded places with them. If we took all the white people in the villages and put them in a black inner city...and took the black people from the inner city and put them here in the villages...WHAT do you think would happen? What?

The inner city neighborhood would be cleaned up and the villages would become another black sh!thole.



You want to be a slave wiotte...the ONLY difference between a slave and a citizen is citizens can defend themselves.



The "gun problem" is an inner city minority problem when you look at the big picture. A white guy going nuts and killing a bunch of people is/was rare. Minorities killing people vs whites is 9 to 1. Killings in the inner cities go unreported because nobody cares. How many in Chicago so far this year? Is it a record yet? Those are MINORITIES killing people...9:1.

Blacks are a different species...they are not us...you might start by figuring out WHY a dog is gentle and a wolf is dangerous. Wolves and dogs are similar but a different species...blacks are similar but a different species...up to 1/20th genetically different from EVERY other race.

I'm just the messenger.

Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group

Originally Posted by Guest

Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group

Not to even mention that in post #32 he says he chooses 'freedom' over 'slavery'...but has no problem with blacks being slaves.

His hypocrisy is surpassed only by his inhumanity...and utterly repulsive personality disorder.

Originally Posted by dirtbanker

First of all, I am not in an argument with you. Secondly, you are the one that is wrong on this subject. You want to disregard common sense, anyplace that has strictest gun laws has the most violent crimes. It is the culture that causes the problem (not the gun, knife, bomb, or truck).
The media over the next few days will inform us of every nuance of the shooter, they will not portray him as a coward, instead they will make him a villain. They will give him more than 15 minutes in the lime light...

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The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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Originally Posted by Don Baldwin

FREEDOM...is messy wiotte...but I choose it and the risks that go with it...over slavery.

When someone tells you what you can and can't do...it's slavery. ALL governments enslave to a point...the point is to keep it to a minimum...and it's CERTAINLY not to give up your means to defense. What are YOU going to do when 6 n!@@ers breaks into your house? Call the police? I hope you have a panic button... Have you read the news about what they do to old white people? JUST as bad as any story about white people doing things to blacks.

Blacks ARE inferior in almost every way. They are jealous of us and hate us for being so much smarter. They will NOT be kind as minorities become 80% of the population.

Don, we are living in a country with more than 300 million people. We are not living
In the 19th century anymore. So many people require more laws. Whether blacks are intellectually inferior to us has no bearing on the fact that we are overpopulated and with this
many people, personal liberties are no longer a right, but a luxury. More people equals less personal freedoms, that is an undeniable fact. Again, we are living in 2017 not 1817.


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Originally Posted by Wiotte

The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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You and the "boy" really like those internet pictures...so many similarities, are you related?

I don't care what you ban (guns, knives, bombs, moving trucks, RVs and hand tools), if you don't change the culture; people will continue to kill people.

The culture can be changed, as it has changed to what it is now. Do you remember a lot of mass murders when you were growing up? Columbine news coverage changed things for these nut jobs taught them how to get noticed. That's the prize they are after.

I exercise my right to own a firearm and I do not want that right taken away from me due to some "nut job that has nothing to live for" wanting to be famous on the news.



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Discipline!!! as in ass whippings not time outs or no i-pad for an hour and other such bull****,, Teach not indoctrinate, Personal responsibility not the blame game, Rewards for excellence not mediocrity! The only way these functioning retards have of excelling is their fifteen minutes.. Some have access to a sailboat and a lesbian partner others have guns...

Originally Posted by Guest

The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


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What "common sense" gun laws would you suggest we pass?

Originally Posted by Guest

The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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How do you propose to eliminate guns?

If we overturned or replaced the second amendment and banned all guns in this country, do you honestly believe that no one would have access to guns? Do you think that there's a chance that people who want to do other people harm might be able to get guns illegally? Is there a possibility that a black market for guns might develop for people who want to hurt other people?

Unless you are talking about somehow eliminating ALL guns from the entire world I don't see how preventing good, responsible, law-abiding people from owning guns is going to prevent gun violence.

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Femo-Fascists in full c*nt-rage mode...

Gun laws are a Type 2 Femo-Fascist screwing.



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Originally Posted by Guest

Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group

That may be true in this country, but most of the examples that you give here were before radical Islam declared war on the United States and the western world.

More people were killed by radical Muslims flying planes into buildings in a few minutes than were killed by white men with guns over the past 20 years.

It's easy to form an argument, like Mother Jones does here, by restricting the method used to kill people, but they people are murdered is irrelevant. There are plenty of tools that people can use to kill others.

Mother Jones and other liberal extremist organizations hate white people so they set up studies to prove their points. They are easily seen through.

As much as you want to point to white men killing people, the fact is that we are currently in a war against radical Islam that is killing people all around the world. And they are killing more people than all of the white gunmen committing mass murder over the past twenty years. But I guess that OK with some people because they are using planes, bombs and motor vehicles and they are not white.