Originally Posted by Guest

Do you care to divulge what your deductibles are in Florida, which you said were lower?

$5,800. Significantly better.

I remember back to when I was a young mother. That deductible would have been killer.

You're working. Both kids in daycare. Both kids get sore throats. Strep or not strep? Gotta bring 'em in.

One hundred dollars per kid for the visit, another $50 to $75 for the labs. Around $300 out of your pocket because the deductible isn't met.

Do you have health insurance, or health care?

Originally Posted by Guest

$5,800. Significantly better.

I remember back to when I was a young mother. That deductible would have been killer.

You're working. Both kids in daycare. Both kids get sore throats. Strep or not strep? Gotta bring 'em in.

One hundred dollars per kid for the visit, another $50 to $75 for the labs. Around $300 out of your pocket because the deductible isn't met.

Do you have health insurance, or health care?

Thanks, it's good to hear from someone who has ACA as opposed to all those with single-payer socialized medicine (commonly known as Medicare) like myself.

It seems to me that those who advocate the ACA seem to fall into three groups: Those in congress that voted for the bill; those who's coverage is subsidized by the government, and those who do not have it.

What I did ignore is Republicans will never be side tracked by facts. The plain and simple fact is all the dire consequences predicted by the Republicans have not happened.

thin on facts. So, you can't believe the words that came right out of the people that were interviewed mouths.

Originally Posted by Guest

What I did ignore is Republicans will never be side tracked by facts. The plain and simple fact is all the dire consequences predicted by the Republicans have not happened.

thin on facts. So, you can't believe the words that came right out of the people that were interviewed mouths.

Wrong again. Go back and read some of the posts above. You live in a dream world where Obama's Socialist Utopia rules. Not in real life. Obamacare is a disaster and that's proven fact. Liberals are mad because the Republicans don't have their name on it, and the Dems own it. Sorry but no matter how much you claim it keeps people out of the ER, that ain't true either. THere are MORE patients going to the ER. It costs the gov more, it costs the taxpayer more, and it costs those that still have their original insurance more.

But, dream on and be prepared to be embarrassed if you insist on bragging about nonexistent benefits of Obamacare.

Originally Posted by Guest

What I did ignore is Republicans will never be side tracked by facts. The plain and simple fact is all the dire consequences predicted by the Republicans have not happened.

thin on facts. So, you can't believe the words that came right out of the people that were interviewed mouths.

It is still early, wait until the ACA is fully implemented (i.e, the employer mandate). Then maybe you can poll those who have lost their employer coverage how they like it.

Will one of the dems who are bragging about the facts and merits of ACA please update us on the 500 billion dollars savings Obama commited would come from medicare to help pay for ACA.

Also while gathering all those facts look up the warnings about the cost of insurance going up once they have added all the new folks with subsidized payments from the government....after they have added all tose up to age 24.....and after they have added all those with pre-existing condotions they never carried before.

The warnings were that once all these adds started to affect what the insurance companies would have to pay out that they never did before....some would collapse and go away. Those with size and assets to stay in will be raising rates to match the outflow of payments. A couple of years ago this was forecast to easily increase premiums 30 to 100%.

And also garner the facts that as the patient load increases on hospitals and doctors offices....wait times will increase dramatically....quality of service/time with the doctors will decrease.

Medicare premiums were also forecast to increase to cover all the new expenses (forget the 500 billion in savings....as if it was ever there in the first place!).

The cheapest and best quality health care you will ever have is what you have right now. To keep the coverage you currently have you will have to take additional supplemetal policies to cover that which will be eliminated from medicare in the future.

When the ACA was implemented the administrations budget office said the full cost of ACA would not be realized until 2016.....how coincidental is that.

So when some are ballyhooing about all the pluses please go back and take a comprehensive look at what is really going to happen to health care costs....do not just dwell on the cherry picked talking points.

Originally Posted by Guest

What I did ignore is Republicans will never be side tracked by facts. The plain and simple fact is all the dire consequences predicted by the Republicans have not happened.

thin on facts. So, you can't believe the words that came right out of the people that were interviewed mouths.

OK, I read the entire article. It is pretty thin on facts. The author assumed facts about two of the couples, and entered info into a Kaiser site. The author finds cheaper premiums for both.

What the author doesn't cover is deductibles. The deductible on many ACA policies is huge. My coverage, back in MN, had a $12,000.00 deductible.

That means the first TWELVE THOUSAND dollars comes out of my pocket.

Good coverage if you get hit by a bus.


Never said a thing about the people interviewed.

Care to comment?

Obamacare has a couple of good points that could have been easily and less expensively addressed, if the Dems really wished to confront the health care problem. However, Obamacare is so bad overall that you might compare it with a family that has a rat infestation problem in their home. They lock up all their possessions in the home, take their money out of the bank and put it under the mattress as well as taking out a loan and putting it under the mattress and then light the home on fire. The rats are destroyed, but so is the home. It solves their rat infestation, but ultimately cost them more money than they can afford.

Remember years ago when AIDS was first made public and everyone wanted to know if there was a cure for AIDS? There was a joke going around that yes, there is a cure for AIDS. It's Tylenol Extra Strength. Around that time, there was a scumbag going around and putting poison in the packages of Tylenol, and several people died.
Obamacare is kind of like the Tylenol Extra Strength as a cure for the health care problem. It cures health care by killing the patient.

Originally Posted by Guest

What I did ignore is Republicans will never be side tracked by facts. The plain and simple fact is all the dire consequences predicted by the Republicans have not happened.

thin on facts. So, you can't believe the words that came right out of the people that were interviewed mouths.

These are the same people that were positive we'd all be dead from Ebola by Christmas and Obama should shut down all flights worldwide.

Originally Posted by Guest

These are the same people that were positive we'd all be dead from Ebola by Christmas and Obama should shut down all flights worldwide.

You just lost.

Scott Walker previewed his replacement to Obamacare. The only item that remains is insurability for all

This will cause other Republicans to open up nd offer their own health care plans.

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