How very disappointing. Even if most of his effort is for the people the media and the politicians and the special interest groups have assured the view will be agenda driven since he is a leftist pope:

The left has its pope

To me if the pope earns a political classification by his actions he is not doing the work of the people.

He too is driving an agenda that is politically oriented.

Yet another loss for the majority!

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How very disappointing. Even if most of his effort is for the people the media and the politicians and the special interest groups have assured the view will be agenda driven since he is a leftist pope:

The left has its pope

To me if the pope earns a political classification by his actions he is not doing the work of the people.

He too is driving an agenda that is politically oriented.

Yet another loss for the majority!

I can empathize, since we have our liberal politicians in America. BUT, since I am not Catholic and did not elect the Pope, and with all due respect, I really don't care what's on the Pope's agenda. Anything he does or doesn't do will have no effect on my life. To me (with due respect) he is just another religious leader.

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I can empathize, since we have our liberal politicians in America. BUT, since I am not Catholic and did not elect the Pope, and with all due respect, I really don't care what's on the Pope's agenda. Anything he does or doesn't do will have no effect on my life. To me (with due respect) he is just another religious leader.

Unfortunately I have to disagree. Was the Ayatollah Khomenei just another religious leader? Pope Sixtus? Martin Luther? Saint Peter? Mohamed? Moses? Religious leaders do not just spout off in a vacuum, they have millions of FOLLOWERS, and thus have changed the world. And this is why I think this pope is dangerous---he is not just leading a flock, he has a defined political agenda, and it may just take hold, like the others

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Unfortunately I have to disagree. Was the Ayatollah Khomenei just another religious leader? Pope Sixtus? Martin Luther? Saint Peter? Mohamed? Moses? Religious leaders do not just spout off in a vacuum, they have millions of FOLLOWERS, and thus have changed the world. And this is why I think this pope is dangerous---he is not just leading a flock, he has a defined political agenda, and it may just take hold, like the others

I think I will concede your point. You make a valid argument. On the other hand, I don't consider him to be AS influential as an elected leader. A religious leader can "suggest" a direction to follow, whereas a politically elected leader can "mandate" that you follow a particular tact. Just my thought on it.

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I think I will concede your point. You make a valid argument. On the other hand, I don't consider him to be AS influential as an elected leader. A religious leader can "suggest" a direction to follow, whereas a politically elected leader can "mandate" that you follow a particular tact. Just my thought on it.

Perhaps. But consider this---who is more dedicated to their "cause"---a jihadist or the average American voter. Even the president (to one degree or another considering our current White House resident) needs Congress to pass laws (or SCOTUS, as recent events have shown) A religious leader just issues decrees. (call them papal edicts or fatwas or whatever)

Religion should not change. This change in the Catholic church is disappointing. They are giving in to the voters if you will just to keep the money coming in. This Pope has said about bring Muslim and Christians together. This why the previous Pope had to retire he wouldnt do it. The song said it well (I see a bad moon raising) think about it.

He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

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Perhaps. But consider this---who is more dedicated to their "cause"---a jihadist or the average American voter. Even the president (to one degree or another considering our current White House resident) needs Congress to pass laws (or SCOTUS, as recent events have shown) A religious leader just issues decrees. (call them papal edicts or fatwas or whatever)

Didn't you just validate my point? Or did I read that wrong? Doesn't matter, I see your point.

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He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

I doubt if any Pope ever banned gays. This one does not condone their sinful lifestyle, but says he forgives them. Big difference. God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. No one disputes that. God hates adultery, murder and theft, but still loves the sinner. Don't mistake the Popes forgiveness for his endorsement.

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He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

The minority report is hereby acknowledged.

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He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

Get help

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Didn't you just validate my point? Or did I read that wrong? Doesn't matter, I see your point.

yes I did. I'd say about 80% agree

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He is the first pope to accept gay people as gods children. Pres. Obama has been gracious enough to invite members of the GAY community to have the honor to meet the Pope. My hats off to both the Pope and Obama.

And yet, the Pope wishes to discuss Climate control, not deviant behavior. Poor Obama, what a dilemma. Obama wants the Pope to justify or endorse a corrupt and sinful lifestyle, and the Pope just wants to talk about Obama's other favorite respite, Climate Control. Obama is such an embarrassment to America. What a failed experiment!

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Get help

Since gays believe that their choice is dictated by DNA, and not psychological, their only help/solution/cure would have to be a large dose of gamma radiation to alter their mutation. Obviously this would cause them to grow to grotesque proportions and turn green. And there is already one Hulk in America. Hmm, I wonder if he was originally gay.

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Since gays believe that their choice is dictated by DNA, and not psychological, their only help/solution/cure would have to be a large dose of gamma radiation to alter their mutation. Obviously this would cause them to grow to grotesque proportions and turn green. And there is already one Hulk in America. Hmm, I wonder if he was originally gay.

Do they still really believe that? We have mapped the entire human genome and no one has found "the gay gene". So much for their argument. On the other hand, there are still people who believe the world is flat.